blackjack.... seen the truth

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        hmmm... cant believe what I just saw... was playing at a casino. Not mentioning any names but some bug happened in the software/my pc which actually let me replay a hand of BJ I had almost completed.

        I always thought "well if i had of hit I would of hand 21, but i stood and the dealer beat me with 20" in some hands but this showed me completely that when you start a game of online blackjack 3 results are always the outcome. Win, Lose or Push. Its decided before you play so whatever actions you do will give that result selected before you play.

        I totally wish I had done some screenshots of it but it came out of nowhere and I was shocked.

        The hand was where Dealer was showing a 7, I had 2 10's. So I thought splitting was worth a try.

        Split hand 1: Had 12, hit, got a 10 so busted
        Split hand 2: Had 16 and stood
        Dealer: Turns over a 10, so 17, wins

        Then the software went weird. The "Hit" and "Stand" buttons were still on the screen but clicking them did nothing. The whole thing had froze. I exited the game. Went back in and it said I had an unfinished game. It was that game I just lost however it went back to the stage where I was on my second split hand and gave me a choice of "hit" or "stand".

        I was suprised to see this but nevertheless I played on. I thought I had a better chance of winning that second split hand now because I knew the dealer had 17. I hit and got a 3 so 19. It appeared that I had won.

        I couldnt believe it when the dealer turned over his final card. It wasnt that 10 I had seen before. It was an 8 or something and he ended up having 20.

        Thats really changed my ideas about playing online blackjack ever again. It has to be as I mention above that as soon as you click deal the results are decided whatever you do (of course as long as you dont hit on a 20 or something like that)
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        I can believe it!
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        Sparkz, i have seen and read somewhere it was proclaimed that even the slots are set to know the outcome of your spin before you spin, they were meaning this about when using the stop/spin button that it doesn't matter its going to stop on whatever symbols were programmed before the spin no matter where or how you stop it, those symbols are going to post up
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        so for blackjack there is only 3 outcomes, since it doesn't spin, never seen the proof of it til now
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        yea, with slots its always been the second you press spin it knows what its going to give you,

        like when you get free spins/features, it knows an amount it going to pay you before any of the spins/features start


        I think knowing that about blacjack now puts a different perspective on it.

        The "house edge" at a real casino has always been known as the advantage the dealer has where you cant see all his cards. Thus its almost a strategy where you can risk a hit and bust or risk a stand and hope the dealer has something low under his. So its about 1 wrong choice could lose the hand but 1 brave choice could win you it. But with it being manipulated in this way online its makes it never the same again since theres no "skill" or risky choice to be made if it already knows the outcome
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        Funny to see its also with blackjack!
        For slots I already knew, the outcome of a spin is determent as soon as you press spinbutton.
        You can clearly see that with some Microgaming games.

        When playing Break da Bank Again for example, sometimes the moment you click 'spin', you'll see your balance run up, then return to the original value.
        Then a winning combination for that value it just ran up to is guaranteed.

        I've also seen this happen with The Rat Pack, Centre Court and Tomb Raider2.

        I'm still surprised that its also with blackjack, as this is supposed to be a more skill based game..
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        Yes, I saw this on a program dealing with slot machines and electronics in general. The RNG (Random number generator) decides the moment you hit the spin or "Play" button what the outcome is going to be.

        In the past, the slots had mechanical stops and such. Not with the new machines today. While it IS possible to hit the JP back to back, logic tells you it's a super blue mooon with busted mirrors and black cats and ladders everywhere when that happens.

        Having "Some" experience with online and live BJ dealings, I don't EVER trust the onlines at BJ. The cards are not like RL. There's (I believe) no way for the computer to do it like RL. Though maybe close, the things I and others have seen lead me to believe that RL is better for you.
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        Very dodgy indeed.

        I'm not a blackjack player (although I have dabbled) and I would be pretty upset if that had happened to me.  Seems you were destined to lose that hand no matter what.

        Happened to me at a casino which shall remain nameless - I was spinning and I got the bonus round and the wheel just kept spinning and spinning.  I was so agitated about it, I phoned them up (left it spinning).  They told me "the server knows what you won - close it down and reopen it and your winnings will be there".  I did exactly what they told me to do and sure enough my winnings were there.  A predetermined outcome!

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        yea, a lot of stuff concerning the gambling industry is hidden from us.

        I think now I know that I will just stick to the no deposit bonuses.

        Theres countless times I had deposited at a new casino, Played card games and had a full run of losses, according to them it was "bad luck" or "a very unlucky streak" but now i know full well on thoese occasions the games were entirely "rigged" for me to lose, so whatever actions I decided would result in the same outcome...a loss. So much for "randomness"
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        genenco wrote:

        Yes, I saw this on a program dealing with slot machines and electronics in general. The RNG (Random number generator) decides the moment you hit the spin or "Play" button what the outcome is going to be.

        In the past, the slots had mechanical stops and such. Not with the new machines today. While it IS possible to hit the JP back to back, logic tells you it's a super blue mooon with busted mirrors and black cats and ladders everywhere when that happens.

        Having "Some" experience with online and live BJ dealings, I don't EVER trust the onlines at BJ. The cards are not like RL. There's (I believe) no way for the computer to do it like RL. Though maybe close, the things I and others have seen lead me to believe that RL is better for you.


        Funny, I saw screenshots last week from someone who hit 2 royal flushes on videopoker, back to back.
        And both were clubs!
        And on $1.25.- per hand, 4 hand, so a $5.- total bet.
        $1000.- win, next hand, another $1000.- win, EXACTLY the same royal...
        Unbelievable!
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        Online blackjack is dicey at best!  At real life casinos, I usually end up with a net "profit" for the night.  But online....its a mess.  I was playing the other day and lost 13 hands in a row!  The dealer won improbable hand one after another.  Me holding 20, and dealer having 4, 10, 2, 5.  Repeatedly!  Or me CONSTANTLY being delt 12s and ALWAYS drawing 10.  Or if I was holding an 11, I would double down only to draw something like a 2 or 3.
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        yea its shameful. The way im looking at casinos now is like 1 big fruit (slot) machine.

        You go to the pub and play on the machine where someone has just won jackpot... chances are you wont get a penny and it sets you to lose because theres nothing left to payout since it has to only pay to the % its set at.

        Now lets say blackjack at a casino has a return of 96%. For fruit machines in a pub, if the payout if its 80% would be based upon plays per £1000. so out of every £1000 put into the machine it will payout £800.

        Since online casinos are wayyy bigger I would imagine the payout to be based upon per $/£1 million played. So in this instance of 96% payout, 960,000 is paid to players in wins and 40,000 is kept for the casino.

        If players have won a lot so it has paid to its payout %, or theres barely any money in the casino then its going to deliberately make you lose.
        Its wrong for casinos to say on games like blackjack "the result is entirely random" because this proves that the outcome of any game is known before you make your hit or stand choices.

        The real house edge (be it the chance where you cant see the dealers full hand so could hit and bust when a dealer is set to bust himself, or stand where the dealer is set to win and you could of hit and beaten him) is with the real casinos, online is just destined for a loss or a "fixed" losing streak which is blamed on the 0.0000001% mathmatical chance there is




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        the game i found interesting to play was war, i started playing the lowest, but tried to see if there was a routine, when playing low, i was winning more, so every so often, i'd up the ante, then it would let me win one, then i drop to lower bet and it took it, so in a way i was trying to trick the game i knew its routine, so everythime i upped the bet, it would let me win, got from 18 odd upto 149 doing it and it made my play through drop fast as anything, 1250 p/t dropped in less than an hour with that game, and seemed to trick the game into trying to prove to me the routine i thought it had was wrong by paying out wins instead of lose's 70% of the time


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