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        So, just some simple math.. Let's say we're playing on slot with payback percentage 95% (that's pretty high I guess). We have X money. After 1 time wagering we should have 95% *x = 0.95 X  After wagering our deposit twice - 0.95*0.95 X and so on. Wagering x40 = X*0.95^39  Which is..0.13527595 X  If we get 100% bonus it would be that x2 = something like 0.27 X -that what we would get after wagering our bonus if there would be no variance Pretty cruel? 
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        Thats exactly how these bonuses are designed to work though isn't it, extend your playtime whilst keeping the house edge the same. You feel like your getting free money when infact the wagering requirements and game weightings are all specifically designed to ensure that most people will end up with zero or thereabouts at the end of it.

        You could say its cruel but hey casinos couldn't offer these bonuses if every one had a positive expectation. I do like to take bonuses myself because I only make larger deposits around once a month and I do feel pretty ripped off if I burn through the whole deposit in just a few minutes.That's the nature of the beast though ain't it ...
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        I usually don't use any deposit bonuses (reason? look at math in post no 1  ) unless I'm able to withdraw my winnings even if WR haven't been met yet (Casumo for example-some of your winnings will be treated as bonus money which will be lost if you request cash out but most of them are avaible to cash-out anytime you want to  )
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        I'm a small player and i use the bonuses, just to play longer i don't expect win big, so i just try to enjoy a game, try different games and limits of course, if i would be a highroller i would never use those deposit bonuses, because it's hard to wager. Unless wager requirements would be logical.
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        A good formula to remember if you are a slots player is that a 100% deposit match on a 25x wagering requirement will be roughly EV-neutral on most of the microgaming/playtech/netent slot games, so if you can find anything over 100% with 25x wagering, or 100% with lower than 25x wagering, your probably onto a winner. Such offers do come up from time to time!
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        Yeah, with WR x 25 and Blood Suckers (Payback % 97,5 if I'm correct) you're even +EV  still, variance.. 
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        https://www.redbet.com/en/casino/slot_payouts

        There you can see all Netent slots payouts
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        98% so just 0,5% mistake   
        Btw: Lights 96.1%? It was paying me so badly that I was expecting something like 60% 
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        Did you hit the feature? In many, many slots an enormous portion of RTP is locked away inside the feature so if you don't hit one in your session (and a good one at that) your likely to be well below RTP.

        NetEnt games in particular always seem pretty brutal to me, because the feature is never any guarantee of a major boost to your bankroll, and they can be so, so hard to hit in some of there games - Gonzos Quest for example, SO many sessions I have put hundreds of spins through that thing without getting the free falls, its a nightmare.

        Then you've got dead or alive, which is capable of who knows how ridiculously huge hits .... I've had over 4000x bet and seen over 8000x on youtube, but one day somebody will definitely clear 10,000x bet on that game.. yet 9/10 bonus rounds are utter garbage.

        At the moment I am most into Great Blue on Playtech, and have been having a lot of good sessions on it, but once again if you dont get a good feature before you go bust your in trouble!
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        Yea, I got free spins few times, they paid me like 20-40x bet/each  Well, it's all about variance.. (My personal record was over 12.000x bet  Hit $6+K jackpot with 0,5$ bet once - thank you Return of the Rudolph  )
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        the RTG random jackpots are a bit of an exception to the usual rules though aren't they? I'll bet that game doesn't have anything like 12,000x bet on the paytable seeing as most RTG slots are limited to 2000x bet even in the feature.

        The first time it happened to me I swore I'd never play RTG again, I still had a whole bunch of free spins with a big multiplier left!! I have been back since though if theres been a good enough bonus offer going, I'm a sucker sometimes lol
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        wscalley wrote:

        the RTG random jackpots are a bit of an exception to the usual rules though aren't they? I'll bet that game doesn't have anything like 12,000x bet on the paytable seeing as most RTG slots are limited to 2000x bet even in the feature.

        The first time it happened to me I swore I'd never play RTG again, I still had a whole bunch of free spins with a big multiplier left!! I have been back since though if theres been a good enough bonus offer going, I'm a sucker sometimes lol


        Are they random? I hit 5 scatters on Return of the Rudolph, I thought that getting 5 scatters in that game wins jackpot 
        And yeah, most (if not all) of RTG slots have some kind of max winnings/spin, I think Vulcan has it higher than 2000x bet (3k x or something like that, too lazy to check it now  )
        Well, I wasn't even close winning 2000x bet with a single spin (without hitting jackpot), I just managed to get something like 1200x bet so congrats anyway 
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        Armage wrote:

        I'm a small player and i use the bonuses, just to play longer i don't expect win big, so i just try to enjoy a game, try different games and limits of course, if i would be a highroller i would never use those deposit bonuses, because it's hard to wager. Unless wager requirements would be logical.


        yep excatly the same..i only deposit 10-20$/eur with bonus, only if casino have something special, then max deposit is 50-never more...

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