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      Gold VIP and WinPalace criminial tactics
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          My name is Noah and I am the online rep for Rome Partners. In light of the recent vicious attack I would like to discuss the draconian manner in which this outfit seems to conduct its business.

          Most of you probably know that most of the TG platform and especially Rome and Diceland casinos were brutally DDoS attacked this week, causing untold damage. Our operation is very strong and will continue, but the question must be asked: Why is this happening?

          Those that have read the thread about us being down on GPWA: ( http://www.gpwa.org/forum/romepartne...+partners+down) know that we have identified our attackers as Win Palace, aka Gold Vip.

          Some may thing these are unfounded lies or libel. However, they stand on very solid foundations.

          We have incriminating evidence, and we will make our case - that this is NOT the first time the Win Palace group (aka Gold VIP) has used DDoS attacks to hold other operations hostage and to damage and extort them.

          They hide behind their affiliate group for the purpose of showing you all a clean face, but it is nothing but a facade.

          2 years ago, Gabi, one of the owners of Win Palace, started a DDoS attack against all of Topgame and Rome Partners. He claimed it was because they hired 2 of his former employees. He would not suffer any operation to hire anyone who has ever worked for Gold VIP (and yes, they are the same and we all know this, there is evidence for that aplenty).

          He demanded that the 2 employees be fired AND that Rome Partners pay him $50k or he will not stop the DDoS attack.

          Rome Partners paid him the $50k and fired the two workers. What choice did they have? They couldn't hope to match his resources. And so he got his way, and has been getting it ever since.

          I'm sure many affiliates here work with AffActive, but do you really want to work with people like these? Once they get rid of all competition, what's to stop them from DDoSing your affiliate site if you complain about non-payment, or DDoS you if you don't place them high enough on your page?

          Basically, you're working with a new generation of criminals, utilizing internet terrorism to make money and destroy opposition. If we all began to act this way, where would it end? How could any operator work in peace and make money for its affiliates? Would any operation that Win Palace or Gabi see as a threat be shut down and its affiliates picked up by AffActive?

          It is interesting to note that AffActive is NOW claiming that they are also under a DDoS attack right now, 2 days after we accused them on public forum. This seems like a pathetic attempt to divert suspicion.
          It's interesting also that some affiliates claim that the DDoS attack could easily be faked and be shown as if it is coming from Win Palace, yet if that is true, why would a faker bother to attack AffActive itself? Wouldn't that be counter to the framing job they wanted to accomplish? Why would an attacker go only for them and not for all RTG casinos? Why them?

          Because it is them.

          Win Palace, aka Gold VIP, aka AffActive - are criminals of the worst kind.

          We have nothing to gain from attacking them, but exposing the truth and hope that all of you beware when doing business with them. They will attack anyone who is in their way and shut. them. down.

          I hope that more players, affiliates and operators will have the courage to come forward and tell their own stories. I know many are scared, and for good reason. But we cannot continue to operate a professional industry with such internet pirates in our midst.

          Thank you all for reading.

          Kind Regards,

          Noah
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          Posted on the original 'rome partners down' thread on GPWA - (AffActive - Gold VIP and WinPalace criminial tactics)

          "I am one of the founding members of TopGame. I have since sold all my shares in TopGame but I am still in close relationship with them and some of their operators. Most of you know me as I was one of the pioneers in the affiliate industry. I've prepared this statement because I've been reading this thread and what TopGame and Rome Partners are facing now just crosses all red lines. I want to come forward, this terror has to stop!

          Two years ago I was invited for a meeting with Gabriel Shalom (also known as Gabi) . He is owner of GoldVIPClub/WinPalace/Affective. At that point they successfully DDOS attacked Rome Partners and put their systems down. The demands were paying a penalty of $50K and signing a letter stating that RomePartners could not hire any staff that had ever worked for the GoldVIP / WinPalace / Affective group, take affiliate positions, or "behave dishonorably" as by his words. I was personally asked by Gabi to deliver the letter to be signed by Rome Partners. The document was signed virtually at gunpoint since their gaming servers were down. I personally delivered the letter to the CEO of RomePartners and had him sign it. I then returned the document to Gabi to his office in Tel Aviv.

          At the time my only intention in this whole affair was to try to keep the company running and everyone happy with as little interruption as possible. I now understand that Gabi isn't interested in peace. His only goal at this point seems to be to knock competition out of the market by force and control everyone.

          After that all was quiet for about a year, and then Gabi tried to do this all over again. Instead of getting in touch with us, he went directly to TopGame and made his demands there. This time, he threatened to take RomePartners down again along with TopGame (gaming servers, website and affiliate program) I believe he succeeded in extorting an additional 75k USD.

          If you ask me, the recent attacks beginning November 16th are a clear attempt to destroy competition and not just an attempt to get money. I have been in contact with RomePartners and TopGame and none of them can understand why this is happening. It is my honest belief that they are simply trying to destroy a big competitor in their market now they have their own software Game Scale.

          At this stage I will stay anonymous."
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          Just posted by TG on CAP - Links to chats between Win Palace / Gold vip owner and TG

              ( http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.c...l-tactics.html)


              Hi Guys,

              Below I will post 2 screenshots of one of the many chat conversations we had with Gabi

              All forum owners are welcome to contact me so we can do screen sharing and they can see the original chat logs.


              LINKS:


              http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...5/image006.png

              http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...5/image007.jpg

              Scott.

              TG.
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          Yes please, Affactive are wrong, but are you saint?

          I would avoid playing at your casinos at all costs, and really I don't understand why one rougish casino group trying to sink another one... whers the logic?
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          Also, he should not be posting these things o.n a public forum...it should be handled legally.  These places are run out of costa rica which is why it's all such nonsense.  I would never send another penny to any of these places.
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          Not going to discuss it here:

          Here is a post from CasinoMeister which i very much agree with:

          "In my opinion, all we can do is speculate on what is going on with this situation. Who is attacking whom should be dealt with by company's lawyers and legal resources. These slugfests should be kept at a private level - not public."


          From our side what i can say:
          With all respect, there is one authority that can handle such allegations, and this is the court of law, not ‎any forum. ‎

          This behavior is ridiculous. If someone robs you - you call the police and file ‎charges. You don't go to post it on the forums
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          danielg wrote:

          Not going to discuss it here:

          Here is a post from CasinoMeister which i very much agree with:

          "In my opinion, all we can do is speculate on what is going on with this situation. Who is attacking whom should be dealt with by company's lawyers and legal resources. These slugfests should be kept at a private level - not public."


          From our side what i can say:
          With all respect, there is one authority that can handle such allegations, and this is the court of law, not ‎any forum. ‎

          This behavior is ridiculous. If someone robs you - you call the police and file ‎charges. You don't go to post it on the forums



          this is exactly what i was thinking, why are you posting this on this forum, im sorry this is happening to your casino, but there is soo much bad reputation regarding rome casino and your other ones, i feel this is a bit odd, very strange for you to post this on this forum, and yet you cant deal with your own payout issues with your own casinos, im sorry noah but best of luck to you

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          EDIT: I just cant help but say this noah... but i have read countless threads on this forum regarding your casinos, and slow payouts and people not getting the payouts, i just have no respect for a casino that can not pay there depositing customers in a reasonable timeframe or pay them at all... and then you say you have sold your shares, it is not looking good at all and this latest stuff is making your reputation worse and not just winpalaces too, but probly the majority of online casinos, people will now be more careful of where they deposit...
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          LuckyRJ wrote:

          danielg wrote:

          Not going to discuss it here:
                          and might i add i was already wary

          Here is a post from CasinoMeister which i very much agree with:

          "In my opinion, all we can do is speculate on what is going on with this situation. Who is attacking whom should be dealt with by company's lawyers and legal resources. These slugfests should be kept at a private level - not public."


          From our side what i can say:
          With all respect, there is one authority that can handle such allegations, and this is the court of law, not ‎any forum. ‎

          This behavior is ridiculous. If someone robs you - you call the police and file ‎charges. You don't go to post it on the forums



          this is exactly what i was thinking, why are you posting this on this forum, im sorry this is happening to your casino, but there is soo much bad reputation regarding rome casino and your other ones, i feel this is a bit odd, very strange for you to post this on this forum, and yet you cant deal with your own payout issues with your own casinos, im sorry noah but best of luck to you

          LuckyRJ

          EDIT: I just cant help but say this noah... but i have read countless threads on this forum regarding your casinos, and slow payouts and people not getting the payouts, i just have no respect for a casino that can not pay there depositing customers in a reasonable timeframe or pay them at all... and then you say you have sold your shares, it is not looking good at all and this latest stuff is making your reputation worse and not just winpalaces too, but probly the majority of online casinos, people will now be more careful of where they deposit...
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          since your here maybe u can answer a question i keep getting emails from sj and winpalace saying free 30 for new and existing accounts but when anyone tries to claim it its irredeemable
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          These casinos are such trash chasing after u.s. deposits  and don't care about the players or u.s. law....it is all about the money and greed.  Don't help these criminals take your money.  Their also posting on forums player information and confidential details.
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          LOL. Top Game casinos are trash that have ripped off many players in the past. The AffActive group are just as bad. I hope you both put each other out of business you big bunch of criminal cry babies.
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          Just disgusting..I haven't deposited to an online casino in months.  Certainly not the ones taking u.s. players.  I don't trust any of them and they all continue to break u.s.law because they just want the money.  Nothing else matters.
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          if someone has to win i vote for winpalace my personal opinion is top game sucks more then anywhere else and i deleted them all long before the us sanctions  >:(
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          is not justifiable that you be attacked but I think this must be done to put more work and lost time improve their promotions to win palace and let the group behind to fight to regain their land, improve their games are worth, profits poor, so slow payments is a wake-up call friends rome casino to get to work very hard because otherwise it will be difficult for people to want to play here, if you doubt that read on the net and from the opinion that their casinos ...

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