Hiya LCB'ers,
I remember the start of the new year last year and it seemed like most of the casinos were super tight. I am curious to know if members are finding the same thing to be true this year. I played at a couple of RTG casinos including the Land based casino and i have not had any good luck at all.
Is it me or is history repeating itself with the start of the new year and casinos are tightening up the machines?
Lips
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- Lipstick
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Hi Lips!
Hope you had a good time with the new year festivities! A new year opens a new leaf for everyone...and every casino. Simply put, if last year was bad, then a casino would be trying harder to improve, quite unlikely by tightening up their games, perhaps more of loosening them up a bit, or by offering irresistable bonuses!
I have now won $600 in just the first 4 days of 2013...which certainly is fabulous...and perhaps indicating a possibility of loose slots for the time being! But then again, luck is elusive, luck is evasive. Some get it good, others may not. Choice of casino/gaming software is also important. Rival, Top Game and RTG seems to be hungry all the time. Not sure about Microgaming. CTXM seems to be going good. And Playtech is my ricebowl ( ), so to speak.
So make a good choice, play smart, don't push for a quick win...and hopefully everyone can then win!
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Hmm, an interesting taught lips. I played at RTG's mostly during Holidays, and so far havent notice any change compared to last year. I guess it must be relative to which games are you playing. For example, the only Microgaming slots on which I did very good are those with stacked wilds like Monkey King or The Grand Journey and similar.
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- Bitspender
- at Jan 04, 13, 08:02:58 AM
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Anyone who thinks these individual casinos (ie MG) can't change the rtp. Will believe anything. This is gambling and where money is involved. Fixes are involved as well. Do you think anyone will invest a $1million in starting an online casino and can't control it? The owners are liars just like, lawyers, politicians, car salesmen, etc. Over on another forum. A well respected Auditor just busted BETFRED for running rigged games. Some of you are really in denial when it comes to online gambling.
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Well, thankfully, not all of us wear tinfoil hats. And in the case you mentioned, players are being compensated.
Anyone who thinks MG slots CAN be altered, should probably stop playing online. After all, if you really truly believe games are rigged, why on Earth would you play?? This makes zero sense to me. If you honestly believe in your heart that a certain casino/group/software casino has the means and desire and is in fact fixing games, you'd have to have one serious gambling problem to still play. -
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I have found that Club World Group is extremely tight right now and have been for about the past 2 months or so ... heck, you can't even get any playing time for your money and the bonus rounds are practically non-existent. Don't know why but that is how it has been going for me with them.
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Well, thankfully, not all of us wear tinfoil hats. And in the case you mentioned, players are being compensated.
Anyone who thinks MG slots CAN be altered, should probably stop playing online. After all, if you really truly believe games are rigged, why on Earth would you play?? This makes zero sense to me. If you honestly believe in your heart that a certain casino/group/software casino has the means and desire and is in fact fixing games, you'd have to have one serious gambling problem to still play.
ON 9/11/2002 exactly 1 year from the date of 9/11. The winning number in the NY Lottery is 911. The S&P Futures index closes at 911.00. They control the lottery and markets. NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. ALL controlled. Surely something as simple as MG software is and can be controlled. Lets me guess. You took the word from some owner. Or someone working within MG word. LMAO and SMDH. But if you want to believe it. Then keep dreaming my friend. If you like it - I LOVE IT!!! -
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I had read at some point, somewhere online of course that RTG casino operators had control to adjust the percentage payout. I can't prove this is true but by the same token if you think about it, say a machine is paying like crazy wouldn't the operate have the right and ask that the machine be adjusted to a lower payout percentage by mfg?
If i was a casino operator and was losing money on a particular game that was loose as a goose i would think i could contact the software or have some type of leverage to adjust it. Legit casinos are going to set the machine within reason and i do believe most do but what about these off the wall casinos we have never heard of?
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land based I believe too, have some control of the rtp of certain machines, of curse they are expected to follow the regulations as set out by their region's laws, and I'm sure, there are those that get caught, as they say, with their hands in the cookie jars. It's happened here. The casino is usually slapped with a fine
I completely believe there are shady operations, unscrupulous operators and rogue casinos. I just don't believe every casino is out to get us by shady tactics; it doesnt make sense to build up a huge following, spend millions is PR only to be torn down by getting caught. Does it happen? Sure. Does it always or generally happen? Of course not. Genuine businesses want happy customers, run by the books and still rake in loads of cash by playing straight and narrow. -
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land based I believe too, have some control of the rtp of certain machines, of curse they are expected to follow the regulations as set out by their region's laws, and I'm sure, there are those that get caught, as they say, with their hands in the cookie jars. It's happened here. The casino is usually slapped with a fine
I completely believe there are shady operations, unscrupulous operators and rogue casinos. I just don't believe every casino is out to get us by shady tactics; it doesnt make sense to build up a huge following, spend millions is PR only to be torn down by getting caught. Does it happen? Sure. Does it always or generally happen? Of course not. Genuine businesses want happy customers, run by the books and still rake in loads of cash by playing straight and narrow.
I would tend to agree. I do know that land based casinos move machines around when they shut down a couple hours a day. So when you go back the machines you think are hot they have been moved down or on the other side of the bank of machines. I learned to remember the number on my favorite machines and find them!
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Dude you believe every thing you read? The US Consititution says "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." But the Government does it. If I do decided to make a deposit and play. That's my business. Same if you decide to believe MG casinos isn't controlled by individual owners. Then its yours as well. If the rtp is the same across the board. Then it shouldnt matter what MG casino one plays at. But im sure many will tell you that's not the case.
Here is a small portion of a complaint brought on MG by several owners.
The IT Director made reference to a settlement Microgaming made with several licensees after it was suspected that they (Microgaming) had tampered with the random numbers generator causing losses. The Director copied letters from other operators who claimed that the settlement represented only one fifth of what was actually lost. -
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Lol, of course I don't believe everything I read. If I did, I'd believe your theories that all casinos are corrupt. Which I don't
But you're right, if you choose to deposit even though you feel casinos are corrupt it's your business, as is mine to post opinions and beliefs contrary to yours -
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Lol, of course I don't believe everything I read. If I did, I'd believe your theories that all casinos are corrupt. Which I don't
But you're right, if you choose to deposit even though you feel casinos are corrupt it's your business, as is mine to post opinions and beliefs contrary to yours
I see what's your problem. You have a hard time reading with comprehension. No where in this thread did I say all casinos are corrupt. I said if anyone believes MG individual owners can't control the rtp. Will believe anything. Now do you see the difference between your statement and mines????? -
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Maybe it is the New Year Gambling Gods! Maybe the Slots that were tight are now loose and the ones that were loose are now tight. I might try playing a slot i never play and see if my luck turns around............hmmmm maybe:
Golden Retriever
Prince of Sherwood
Roberta's Castle
Wooden Boy
Year of Fortune
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Meeeyoww!!! Come on guys, it's a new year, try to have some optimism. (Look at it this way, prob'ly can't get any worse...LOL). Anyways, Happy Belated New Years to all my friends at LCB and I for one feel very lucky this year. It's been foretold that Bongo shall have a stellar year of spinning to great wealth and even getting a random jackpot.....or two, or three. Woo-Hoo !
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The owners are liars just like, lawyers, politicians, car salesmen, etc.
Oh no, now you are insulting people, and their careers. Im sure you just made lots of friends with that one.
I agree with Dtsweet, hopefully you dont gamble anywhere and are here just to post about conspiracies.
You may not have said every casino is crooked, but i dont see whos left after all your hate posts, most of your posts are about how RTG sucks, how MG sucks etc.... -
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I have found that Club World Group is extremely tight right now and have been for about the past 2 months or so ... heck, you can't even get any playing time for your money and the bonus rounds are practically non-existent. Don't know why but that is how it has been going for me with them.
i agree
i can only speak on my recent experience with club world and their slots were tight.Between jan 1st and 5th i made 7 deposits and played keno without a bonus.I played 25cents 10cents and only hit $3.50 after the 7th deposit and i was playing a $10 freechip they gave me.I saw the cashback promo for club world and i cant even get that because im not at $200 yet.My new years resolution after a year of not gambling was to find a good casino and stick to them.The only reason i would deposit again at club world is that their customer support IMO is the best. -
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- at Jan 08, 13, 10:50:10 AM
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Rena.....that nice customersupport cost a lot of $.
I have decided not to play the club world casinos anymore, because of the tightness so yesterday I played at Play2win casino which is a Rivalcasino. What a difference......lots of bonus free spins.
dep.$ 25 and withdrew $ 200 in a short time....so I will play with them for a while and see how it goes.....could not be worse than the cw group anyway -
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I wouldn't say online slots are anymore "crooked" than land-based slots(I actually enjoy the online slot games far more than land-based and therefor am far more entertained for my money). But anyone that believes online slots are totally random due to the RNG is totally nuts. IMO after playing continually at casinos in most software groups, the payouts/bet are not totally random. This is my opinion, based on my observation and my experience. The payouts across all RTGS dropped substain. 9 months ago and remain poor overall. As a U.S. player the only other group is "liberty slots" and their payout also took a nose dive over 6 months ago, based on my experience and I am a player that deposited and played a large group of casinos daily. I no longer do so as the payouts have become worthless and the perks more than worthless, IMO>
and if you believe they are all crooked, then surely we wont see any more posts from you this year about your gameplay. I mean, obviously, you wouldnt play online if they are all crooked, that would be silly
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Of course there is such a thing as a Random Number Generator and it is in every slot machine you play. If there wasn't there would be absolutely no control on the reels. That means a machine could constantly keep paying and the casino would never have a house edge. It also means that the machine could continuously spit out losing combinations and there is never a winning combination.
A slot machine is a computer and the RNG is the brain that literally spits out thousands possible combinations. The payout percentage is what determines a machine to payout more than the next one. And even if that is set say at 97% payout it is all still a theoretical percentage. That still doesn't guarantee you to be a winner because its about being there at the precise moment it is going to hit.
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Land based can more than adjust the payout as a College buddy works for one of the biggest Slot Machine manufactures and the casinos that purchase their machines in Vegas. He has told me that they set the payout based on the casinos request. The casino usually advertised the payout but as far as each spin/bet having a random chance of paying, go fish!
land based I believe too, have some control of the rtp of certain machines, of curse they are expected to follow the regulations as set out by their region's laws, and I'm sure, there are those that get caught, as they say, with their hands in the cookie jars. It's happened here. The casino is usually slapped with a fine
I completely believe there are shady operations, unscrupulous operators and rogue casinos. I just don't believe every casino is out to get us by shady tactics; it doesnt make sense to build up a huge following, spend millions is PR only to be torn down by getting caught. Does it happen? Sure. Does it always or generally happen? Of course not. Genuine businesses want happy customers, run by the books and still rake in loads of cash by playing straight and narrow.
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I played at Lucky Red recently and it was pretty bad. Great online casino but wow the slots were not paying. Just a bad run for some of us. It'll get better.
Land based can more than adjust the payout as a College buddy works for one of the biggest Slot Machine manufactures and the casinos that purchase their machines in Vegas. He has told me that they set the payout based on the casinos request. The casino usually advertised the payout but as far as each spin/bet having a random chance of paying, go fish!
I heard the same thing as far as setting the payout based on the casino's request. The machines come from the manufacturer that way. The casinos have the option to tighten or loosen the payout and place those machines in specific areas. I also heard that the only way to change the payout is to move the machines. That's why there're always moving my favorites. -
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I heard the same thing as far as setting the payout based on the casino's request. The machines come from the manufacturer that way. The casinos have the option to tighten or loosen the payout and place those machines in specific areas. I also heard that the only way to change the payout is to move the machines. That's why there're always moving my favorites.
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That's not how it works Feelinfroggy!
If you had lost a lot on a particular slot machine, you wouldn't want to play it again on your next visit, right? On your next visit you would sit at another machine elsewhere. Now...you may think that the machine you lost on was at a specific location, therefore avoiding that spot...and you wouldn't have thought that the machine you are now playing on could be the SAME machine you had lost on?!!! Why? Because they moved the machines! That's the reason why machines are being shuffled around...to confuse the players!!!
Payout settings for any slot machine remains the same for a specific period of time. Resetting them regularly would be too tedious and time consuming, considering that each machine has to be reconnected back to the main frame (server), and the main frame needing resetting too!
Most people are not aware that ALL casinos will close shop at a predetermined time for a predetermined period...FOR MAINTENANCE as they would say! Now...what is this maintenance? Has anyone thought about it...or given much thought about it?! This is the time they do all their dirty work...if I may say so!
So...the next time you avoid a specific spot, it may not be avoiding the same machine as you want to!!! -
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On the contrary Feelin Froggy!
If you had won big on a machine you wouldn't want to play it again cos it will eat you up after each big payout! So you would avoid it and look for another. The same principle applies...you think you are avoiding that machine...but they moved it...
If you also think that a particular machine can be identified by its number...think again! Each machine is preloaded with at least 2 softwares! They could move the machine or they could switch over to the other software...making it even harder for players to find or to avoid!
If you want to win at any landbased casino, NOTHING BEATS GOOD LUCK!!!
Cheers and GOOD LUCK!
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