Play Through Practices ... What do you think?

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        The play through's are so ridiculous!  30X on bonus money, 40-45 X on free money with a 5 x max cash out depending on the casino.  The odds are so stacked against you unless you just happen to get lucky and hit something big.  I also don't like the fact that they add your deposit and factor that in to the play through.  iI they are going to charge such outrageous play through requirements then the play through should be set according to the funds that the casino provides for the bonus you take.  For instance, if you deposit 50 and you receive a 225% bonus (112.50) then the play through should be set on the 112.50 that they provided you with.  I  seriously think that they should make play through no more than 15-20 X the amount of the bonus money they provide you with.  Not only do you have to make the play through but then you cant withdrawal the money they gave you to play with.  Is it just me or is this really a horrible practice?  I know some will say you can deposit and play with just your own money and not have to worry about any play through .. however, who has a couple of hundred to deposit at one time ... not many I would imagine.
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        it all boils down to two things....are you trying to get to play more and get the gambling feeling satisfied then thats what the bonuses were designed for,  it makes you feel like you get more bang for your buck,,,,,but it gives the casinos even more of a huge advantage as it is very hard to beat the playthru and still have a cashable amount....even when you are doing good.......if you are in it to try to turn even a slight profit,  then lower bets and no bonus is more to the players advantage as you can cash out at any time.
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        The play through's are so ridiculous!  30X on bonus money, 40-45 X on free money with a 5 x max cash out depending on the casino.  The odds are so stacked against you unless you just happen to get lucky and hit something big.  I also don't like the fact that they add your deposit and factor that in to the play through.  iI they are going to charge such outrageous play through requirements then the play through should be set according to the funds that the casino provides for the bonus you take.  For instance, if you deposit 50 and you receive a 225% bonus (112.50) then the play through should be set on the 112.50 that they provided you with.  I  seriously think that they should make play through no more than 15-20 X the amount of the bonus money they provide you with.  Not only do you have to make the play through but then you cant withdrawal the money they gave you to play with.  Is it just me or is this really a horrible practice?  I know some will say you can deposit and play with just your own money and not have to worry about any play through .. however, who has a couple of hundred to deposit at one time ... not many I would imagine.


        If you don't like higher playthroughs then play at CW an dInetbet RTGS and Liberty slots and then there is Silver Oaks casino that often has bonuses with no playthrough and no max cashout and accepts AMEX.  I recently won 591.00 at CW on a free no deposit bonus and 1000.00 at silver oak on a free vip bonus. Silver Oak if you win you will get paid within 5-6 days. Any questions pm me.
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        sorry I meant at Liberty slots you would be paid within 5-6 days. Silver Oak is up to 7 working days to be approved and then 7 days to recieve payment(although once it took longer) and recently InetBet and CW have took longer than they have in the past year.

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        If you play regularly at a casino and gain VIP status the bonuses and WR can be better. I won't take a playthrough that is more than 20x and if i do take the bonus i like to make smaller deposits  so the playthrough is not huge.

        But i agree with on trpschick, deposits should not be factored into the playthrough requirements. But is always seems to me whenever i get a no playthrough bonus or super low one the machines are so freaken tight. I swear the Slot play is determined by the bonus!

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        The way I see it, if the deposit would not be factored into the playthrough than thay would made that playthrough 60xb instead of 30x which would be the same thing for us, but wager would sound higher that way.

        Wagers of 30x or more are high for me (and not acceptable), but I saw many non US based casinos have 40x or more on deposit bonuses, selected RTG casinos offer by far the best playthrough rules along with Win A Day Casino that rarely has wager higher than 10x.

        Footdr mentioned some of those lower wagering RTG's. I will just add that Club World group often offers bonuses with wagers as low as 10x to all registered players and its usually once a week in one of their casinos, Desert Nights also sometimes offer very nice deposit bonuses that are either non sticky or with lower wagering and rarely with wager of more than 25x.

        Win A Day / Slotland casinos offer very nice bonuses when it comes to wagering requirements (Ive seen wagers as low as 1x), the only reason they are not on top of my playing list is their not so good selection of games (but it appears they are working to improve that aspect).
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        "I swear the Slot play is determined by the bonus!"

        In my honest opinion, Lipstick, I can safely say that your sentence is not far from the whole truth! 

        Many years ago when slot machine arcades were in abundance in my country, technicians were employed to service and tune the numerous pcs used for those games. It was well known then that each arcade would set their own payout rating as they wish, as determined by the operator of the premises. A setting of 60:40, casino:player, payout rating was considered very reasonable...most of the time, this ratio would be much larger, bringing in huge profits for the operators. In these days of online gambling, I would not be surprised if a similar methodology is being used to set and control the gameplay in each and every casino.

        Personally, I have made many wins with no-deposit and deposit bonuses...but I have NEVER won with any cashback refund bonuses as yet...so they are probably the hardest bonuses to win with!!!

        My advice: PRACTICE as much as you can with fun money first before going in with your real money! It is IMPERATIVE that you know the game well in order to win. The better you know it, the bigger the win you can expect to make, and more regularly too! Do not hope for LadyLuck to be by your side most of the time...because most of the time she's SOMEWHERE ELSE!!! Hahahaha. Funny but true!!!
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                I have to say every now and then I'll try to not use a deposit bonus
        and I swear that money just evaporates!!  I mean fewer bonuses,  poor payouts on bonuses,  etc...  I don't know, just a scary coincidence,  who knows.    The money obviously lasts longer with a bonus but recently everything seems to be so tight, this hobby is getting to be too expensive; maybe I'll take up gardening instead
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        i dont like taking bonuses either and honestly i have thought of taking up gardening 
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        i dont like taking bonuses either and honestly i have thought of taking up gardening 


        lol rena. Too funny!

        20x bonuses are ideal but hard to find these days. I avoid a bonus unless the playthrough is irresistible. Loyalty bonus always seem to be better than the standard reload offers. Its a matter of preference I suppose.
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        I just spent 30 minutes talking to like 6 casinos for a good deposit bonus with no or minimul playthrough..most of them only have 25x or 30x which I won't take..these playthroughs suck..for my deposits and bonuses they end up being close to $15K..and though I have made the playthrough on occasion it seems ridiculous..James at Casino Titan went on and on trying to tell me how easy it was to make the playthrough..lol I finally had to shut him off live chat since he was getting annoyed at me when I told him it was too high..not sure what is happening with these casinos but they all seem to be tight as hell and cheap with their bonuses these days (even from a few months ago) they don't even seem to want to compete with the other casinos to give you something better than the next guy..(sigh)
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        Damned as it is, I guess I am stuck with slots for ever!!! . When I look at fruits, I see 3 melons in a row! Looking at flowers, I see 5 roses in a line! When I see 3 7s in a row I go "DAMN!!!" . If anyone asks me what's my favorite hobby, I'd say "surfing the internet". SAFE answer!!! Hahahaha.

        I have stopped playing at Microgaming, RTG and other software casinos, except at Playtech casinos. 3 casinos especially, namely 7REAL, EUROGRAND & PLAZAWIN, offer bonuses at only 12x Deposit+Bonus wagering. JOYLAND's bonuses are even better, carrying only 10x Deposit+Bonus wagering requirement! These are my regular haunts now, and for time to come too.
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        I used the practice games a bunch before I started with real $. Found out real quick that the only bonus for me were when I deposited $50 to their 200% match with no playthrough /no Max pay out worked pretty good so far.  I tried the other bonuses but they never worked for me. But then again I never spend more than 50 dollars per deposit. I use Silver Oak but would like to try another good no play/no max casino that pays out. Silver Oak is slow for payouts that are done by check but I did get paid,I won 289 and 205 at silver oak after paying back the 200% bonus. I also won 105 from AC Casino on a free chip. Still waiting on it. When I play the Silver Oak I always start out with Red Sands small bets .30 and move up.once it starts getting active. When I have won some freespins a couple of times then I move to another game. Usually I play Cleopatras Gold, Honey Bees and Achilles. Don't spend a lot of time on them when they get stubborn and quit paying. Just move on. Also Honey bees I use the least of the 4.Red Sands I use the most especially when I get under a $100. Between these four you can win some but practice helps. If you ever get to the bigger bets try Achilles it can work great on $20,50,and 100 bets in practice. Some day I will get the real chance to try that with real money. I can't wait to place sexeral 100 dollar bets in hopes of a big return. You have to be a risk taker. In practice I got over 10k several times and went up to 55k once, and over 25k twice.

        If anybody knows where a few good pay out sites are that have 200% or more no playthrough/No Max please let me know.

        Thanks! 
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        lipstick_xoxos wrote:

        If you play regularly at a casino and gain VIP status the bonuses and WR can be better. I won't take a playthrough that is more than 20x and if i do take the bonus i like to make smaller deposits  so the playthrough is not huge.

        But i agree with on trpschick, deposits should not be factored into the playthrough requirements. But is always seems to me whenever i get a no playthrough bonus or super low one the machines are so freaken tight. I swear the Slot play is determined by the bonus!

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        And so you are saying that the play/spins/outcome is not completly random, something I have thought for the past 6 years I have played. However, I do believe the payouts are set to payoff better than most landbased casinos as I win much more frequently and for higher amounts than I have ever won at landbased casinos which set their payouts also(I know this because a good college friend works for a slot machine company and is in charge of setting the machines and selling them to casinos.
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        not in a million years is the payout percentage higher online than in land based casinos...not even close

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