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        I just read PMM posts about loving slots and the RNG - Random Number Generator and that the casinos cannot manipulate them to pay in your favor.  I too LOVE slots and play NOTHING else, I have played for over 20 yrs now. I use to believe that when I make my deposit I spin and win or lose that it was just the machine and I was being lucky or not, but it was not being manipulated by some guy behind the curtain (like the wizard of OZ) don't mind that guy and that my account was clicked on LOSE at every spin. I just read a Casino Operator who ADMITTED that "YES" casinos CAN and DO manipulate the pay variance percentages of slots machines and he even asked the player to tell him which slots he favors so that he can set the percentage to like a 98% payout to give him better odds. Of course this will affect all the players while they are playing the same games at the same time to the payout of 98% payout. I greatly appreciate his honesty and he stated this is NOT a secret in the industry. The RNG - Random Number Generator is a totally different thing we are talking about here. That IS RANDOM and that CANNOT be manipulated, If you win the RANDOM you were suppose to win (Casino Operator stated this) and it is true. But the VARIANCE of the games you are playing there are high variance and low variance games this is TRUE and will always be. If you are playing after several spins and do not feel good change to another game. And just like this Casino Operator RTG by the way stated Players do not get mad when you ask for transperancy and when the casinos tell you that YES we change the percentage payouts on games then you want to shame the casinos for the truth.  It does not work both ways. Anyone can google these FACTS can casinos change the PERCENTAGE payouts on games, I appreciate the TRUTH and if I don't feel good about a game I switch to another one.
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        The casino operator can choose which EPROM chip to install in ... would allow the casino's management to change the game, the odds, ...
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        Hi lucky8's

        First off, I thank you for reading my blog.  :)

        Also, I am aware that casino's can change the "CARD" in the machine to change the payout rate on any machine, but it is a costly endeavor, and also must be reported and kept track of by the gaming industry.

        Is this the "change" your speaking of?

        I am interested in what your saying....

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        YES, By the way I meant no disrepect to you at all.  I myself have, like ALOT of players in the past couple of weeks have had a suspicion that my deposits are only lasting about 5 mins, and I got the feeling that I was on the LIST at some casinos to program my every spin as LOSE. After like 50 spins and NO BONUS. Then I read on a VERY REPUTABLE FORUM, besides ours tee hee. That an RTG OPERATOR said to a player that pick 3 games and tell me when you are logging on to play and i WILL CHANGE the PERCENTAGE TO A HIGHER ONE LIKE 98% to make sure you get a good run. Then the player asked can you MANIPULATE the RANDOMS the CASINO Operator said "NO" of course not these are truly RANDOM. BTW- THIS CASINO OPERATOR who admitted this is on THIS SITE. I would rather KNOW the truth and that feeling I get when I know that something is just not right and my money is fading fast then I trust my gut feeling and change games. But ALOT of players are feeling what I am feeling lately and WOULD NEVER suspect that CASINO OPERATORS CAN AND DO change the payout percentages at will.  
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        lucky8s wrote:


        YES, By the way I meant no disrepect to you at all.  I myself have, like ALOT of players in the past couple of weeks have had a suspicion that my deposits are only lasting about 5 mins, and I got the feeling that I was on the LIST at some casinos to program my every spin as LOSE. After like 50 spins and NO BONUS. Then I read on a VERY REPUTABLE FORUM, besides ours tee hee. That an RTG OPERATOR said to a player that pick 3 games and tell me when you are logging on to play and i WILL CHANGE the PERCENTAGE TO A HIGHER ONE LIKE 98% to make sure you get a good run. Then the player asked can you MANIPULATE the RANDOMS the CASINO Operator said "NO" of course not these are truly RANDOM. BTW- THIS CASINO OPERATOR who admitted this is on THIS SITE. I would rather KNOW the truth and that feeling I get when I know that something is just not right and my money is fading fast then I trust my gut feeling and change games. But ALOT of players are feeling what I am feeling lately and WOULD NEVER suspect that CASINO OPERATORS CAN AND DO change the payout percentages at will.  


        No disrespect taken, at all.....

        I am very interested in what you are saying, and I appreciate the feedback to my original blog.

        If this is the case, it is truely disturbing.

        In my origianl blog I was referring to Land Casinos basicly, and Had no idea that on line casinos could do such a thing.


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        From the horses mouth (Casino Operator qoute)Say I asked you what is your favorite slot, and I set this machine to 97%

        ALL players then have the same shot. How is this unfair?

        IT IS FOR ALL, I think you are thinking I set this at the player level. In this thought your are incorrect, I set the machine and all players playing these slots have the same shot.
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        One players comment on the ability to change the payout percentage confirmed that the casino can change the RTP at will. That's exactly what everyone's point is here. Not that a % point or two is going to change anyone's outcome in the short run, it's just the fact that you could do it at will.

        What other waves of the magic wand can you perform with the software?

        This thread and a few others are really making me and I'm sure many others sick.
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        Another players comment While my wheels are spinning with this topic can you answer this question for me?

        Lets say I'm playing at one of your sites, and spike a good hit lets say for 10k. I'm thinking it's my lucky day and continue to surf the different games, of course raising my bets.

        Can you follow me around and whatever game I'm playing can you tweak it for the worst in an effort to get your money back?

        Like you said of course everyone playing the games you randomly can change are all subject to the same %. This of course would mean that although I'm still up having fun pissing my money back to you, the poor soul's trying to have a good time for cheap will have no chance at all, and just chalk it up as a bad session.

        And we talk about moving percentages around from 95.0 to 97.5, but are you capable of knocking it down to 60.0 or even worse if you want? And even if you say that you only have the power to move around a point or two, why should we believe you?

        Like I said before, all this could be much more then we could have even suspected.
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        Casino Operators Response: I don't think he is NOT telling the truth, sometimes the TRUTH hurts but for my money I AM GLAD I HEARD IT!!!!!!

        Casino Operators response:In theory, yes someone would be able to do that. No, not 60% lowest is I think 91%, depending on machine, but would have to look up. But keep in mind, the random jackpot, that is 100% random, could not adjust that.
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        Casino Operator:next time you do, Pm me you top 3 games you like and I will make sure they set to the highest setting...

        Comment from Player:Plus you say if "you" adjust it for one then it will be adjusted for all. Well HELLO!!! The one you are adjusting it for would be the only to have the advantage of knowing this!!!!!!!!


        Yes Virginia there IS A SANTA CLAUS!!!
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        Casino Operator: I think you are all misunderstanding. I can adjust a machine fo course, btu would be for ALL players, not adjust a setting for just one player.

        So if Fruit Frenzy is set to 97.5%, ALL players have the same setting, not just one.
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        So, if I am understanding right....if they can go up with a payout percentage, they certainly can go down with it as well?

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        Casino Operator:Even if I sat there playing with the settings each hour,(which we don't) it is setting the machine as a whole, not each players RDP.

        Playing the machines for free or with money is the SAME settings. Please do not come to conclusions that are not correct.
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        Again Casino Operator:I thought I was helping you reach your goal, but now you saying I deceived you?

        What is unfair if the slot is set at 91% or 95%
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        Players comment:Thus again this cements the feelings that many of us have had for some time now that we are being decieved by many casinos, it's just that you are admitting it where others still aren't!

        Transparency, honesty, fair play is all we ask for and players should be treated fairly not matter where they are geographically or monitarily.
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