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        I am one that has the hardest time making playthrough, i tend to always play the wrong slots and never make it, lawd knows how i try, especially when getting a freebie or sign-up bonus, to cash-out would be my ultimate experience never able to do so..

        I'm wonder LCB members or even those that peek in time to time..would you happen to have any tips that could help.. also and if i am not asking to much to explain to me what is Good, Reasonable and Bad examples of playthrough X's amounts. Ones to jump on and ones to avoid.
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        Meeting the Playthrough

        There is a variance with slots at different casinos and all are different in
        nature I will give examples of systems to use depending on the X=Value
        Playthrough amount.

        Very Good

        If you have a low amount to start with I would suggest approaching low
        volativity slots and build up your bankroll using the less risky slots
        at the end of the day all slots are risky but the level of risk and the
        amount that can be won/lost is different with each level of volativity.
        Building up capital from low vols and then using that captial to
        apporach a medium vol ...test different slots along the medium vol
        range once your built up and if lady lucks on your side that wgr will
        vanish.

        Reasonable

        If your a bit more adventurous start off on the medium vols but consider
        the factors of bankroll and chance of loosing more ...also there is the
        chance of winning more...but its reasonable to assume that you stand
        a good chance of winning.. believe that you can win..but never ever ..
        rush things..weed through the games ..be picky about things.

        Very Bad

        Ok an example of a bad approach is to go straight for the high-ultra high
        vols to try and crack the playthrough ...high-ultra are really great with
        5 of a kind payouts and many lines etc ..but heres the deal ..you stand
        a greater chance of loosing a lot of money on high-ultra vols ..than say
        on a low or medium vol..going in all guns blazing on a high-ultra vol is
        an example of a Very Bad Method to use..but hell if you hit it .. can I have
        a loan ? ..j/k'ing .

        And with any scenario ..I suggest developing a strategy which you are
        comfortable with ..these are only suggestions ... I find if one is positive
        , focussed , and calm ...things are much better .. I call it .."A Battle Meditation".

        Rock on Player !

        -Azriel47
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        Azriel....I've never paid any attention to the level of volativity for a game...not even sure I know what it means. Maybe next time I'll try and follow your advice and see where it gets me. I'm usually STUCK on 5 or 6 different games only because I happen to like the graphics, such as White Rhino, Enstanted Garden, and Warlocks Spell to name a few and have never bothered to play anything new.

        As for Imagination...I always try to make large deposits when I got a good bonus leaving me with a huge starting balance. Then I bet $2 or more a spin because for me playthrough is met easier when your playing for larger amounts plus if you happen to hit anything it's gonna pay really good.
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        Oh and as far as good and bad playthrough Jackpot Capital comes with a 60X wagering requirement on all bonuses...that is by far one of the highest ones I've seen, 20X is good if you can find one and on average I've seen them around 35X
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        I don't know what volativity is either. 

        I spent about 1 1/2 months making quite a lot of deposits.  I didn't cash out once and thought...I'm throwing my money away.

        I've tried taking NO deposit bonus and it seems to go in a nano second.

        I've taken a bonus (at least I have more to start with) and will hit $200 on a .50 spin...get all excited...and see I still have $2,989 left before I can think of withdrawing.  Figure you would have to bet a ton and still win enough to withdrawal (minus the bonus) and you have to be very lucky.

        The only place I have made a withdrawal is The Genesys Group. (Treasure Mile, Grand Eagle, etc). 
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        Correction its Volatility commonly known as VI-Volatility Index

        The volatility of slot games (casino games online) refers to the amount won or the amount lost. If both are massive in number, the slot game qualifies as a volatile game. By looking at the paytable, you can quickly determine if the slot game you are playing is a volatile one. For example, if the payout for getting five-of-a-kind symbol yields 2,000 coins, then every coin bet by the player pays out the same amount.

        What separates the volatility of slot games is the amount paid for the same five-of-a-kind symbols range from low to high. One slot game may pay out 2000 coins, while another may pay out 500,000 coins using this same scenario.

        Also ill speak about the RNG : Random Number Generator

        Slot definition is important for dispelling many myths about slot machines. RNG stands for random number generator and refers to the computer program that determines which symbols line up on the reels. Its purpose, as the name might suggest, is to generate a sequence of random numbers in milliseconds.
        Each random number it generates corresponds to a reel combination. If you happen to be lucky enough to make your move the exact moment that the RNG generates a number corresponding to a jackpot combination, you can thank pure chance for your good fortune (unless you have telekinetic and/or precognitive abilities)

        And ill mention one name Mike Shackleford the "Wizard of Odds".

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        I've seen some slots in casinos that have the volatility level named like. "low" or "high" then theres the other..variance i think? It's been explained in another thread..But i never knew what was meant and how to use them.. i'm still somewhat confused by it..

        So on average about 35x's to 60x's is reasonable.. say i have 100.00 with a 300% bonus and the playthrough is 90x's that would not be a good deal to follow through with, the posibily even with alot of money for play would be very low to make it.. to look for one that has a lower playthrough on average being about 60x's?
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          60x is quite high Imagin.  Take your $100 deposit with a 300% bonus.  Your starting stack is $400 and you have to wager $24000 to beat the playthrough.  That would be 12,000 spins at $2 a spin and if you don't win much at the beginning, you would have just over 200 spins before your money is gone.

          With a 35x wager requirement with the same deposit and bonus, your playthrough would be $14,000 whch is 7,000 spins at $2 a spin.  That is a huge difference in WR.  

          Personally, I think 60x is quite high; I guess the figures speak for themselves.

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          PS Some nice tips Azriel. Thanks
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          Also ill dispell a few myths about hot and cold cycles which
          seems to be common talk around the gambling community
          in respect of RNG : this is a response the wizard gave
          concerning this very matter.

          Q:>
          How does the RNG logic interact with the hold %? I believe that most machines are set to hold X% and that over time that number will be reached. It would seem that that "hold" number must have some influence on the odds a machine will pay or not. I realize that a newly installed machine that has never been played can hit the royal on the first play, however, it is my belief that over time, the hold % will met by that machine. I have also heard the term "cycle". A slot tech at a casino told me that a machine was on a 365-day cycle. What does that mean? -random person

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          First, lets clear up what the term "hold" means. For purposes of electronic games, it is the theoretical return the game is set to. In both video poker and slots, each play is random and independent of all past plays. The laws of mathematics dictate that even with independent trials, as the sample size gets larger the actual return will tend to get closer to the theoretical mean, or the hold. So contrary to popular belief a machine never goes hot or cold to get back in balance. Never mind the term "cycle". It is a poorly named industry term for the number of possible outcomes of the random number generators inside the machine. Unfortunately the term has trickled down only to confuse low level employees and players alike. Contrary to popular myth there are no cycles and again each play is equally random and independent of all other plays. -Mike Shackleford "The Wizard of Odds".

          The closet deduction from his analysis is that everything is random hence there
          are no hot and cold cycles tis all mare chance.

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