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        I have been around for a very long time and have always avoided bonuses on deposits since the beginning. Most of the complaints i see are about not following rules on the bonus you take after a deposit. A lot of head ache IMO. I have read the terms on some of the bonuses and find some of them down right designed for you to lose even if you win. I understand more playtime but if you do manage a withdraw you will have to make darn sure everything was followed to the T or you will lose. I just never felt like having to follow the strict bonus guidelines. A good freebie i will take but a deposit bonus is just something else for me. Maybe it has to do with where the USA is allowed to play which is mostly the casinos that show up on either the warning list or in direct support. (this is all from my observation and my opinion). 8'|
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        I don't mind a good bonus from time to time assuming that the rules are easy to follow and don't have any traps.
        Which most places I play it, they tend to spell out the bonus terms pretty easily to where there isn't much to be trapped by.
        I hate the bonuses that are dreamed up like the following list:

        1) I hate the slot bonuses that are machine specific.  Like your only allowed to play these 5 machines, or else the other 200 don't count towards wagering and void your winnings.
        - Reason why I hate these is to me a slot is a slot.  If your going to provide me a bonus why tell me only certain slots qualify and others don't. That since all slots pretty much perform the same, that we are restricted to only 5 of them.  They all play the same, granted some bonuses are season themed, but still seems like a lot of BS to me.

        2) Ones with max cash out
        -Reason why I hate these is to me you've already wagered your money anywhere from I have seen a simple 10 times over to up skies the limits on wagering requirements.  So since you've had to go thru all of the work of having a wagering requirements.  I hate having a limit put on me in the end that says your winnings are only partially yours if you win big.
        I get that some of these bonuses are rather huge matches, and I suppose I could see the risk.  Why offer such a bonus if your not prepared to pay out rather largely on it.

        3) Bonuses that clearly from the beginning don't specify in clear terms.  What the max bet can be, what percentage of a certain game can be played, or any other restriction on how the bonus can be played.
        -To me this seems like a trap in itself.  If the casino can be bothered to make clear what they see as bonus abuse.  Which pretty much what this statement is covering.  Then really the casino shouldn't offer bonuses period.  The whole you can only wager 10% of the bonus at a time, can only play 20% of the wagering on one single game, or some other percentage ordeal.  Seems like a lot of work for the player and almost makes it a were going to take your money in the end bet.  So really let's not make it bonus where to player has to do the math.  Let's make simple terms that are easy to follow across the board.

        4) My final pet peeve is offering a no deposit bonus, yet before taking it or after you finished wagering it.  Your required to deposit.  Especially after you've already made a few deposits in the casino.
        - I get that they want to verify you a bit, and sometimes that can be done by making a deposit.  Yet after your first deposit.  If your going to make me pay more into the pot to withdrawal.  I'm not interested.


        That's a few of my pet peeves about bonuses.  I could go on, but those are the ones that annoy me the worst.
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        maybe for USA bonuses is not friendly, but for EU i think this is the best way how to play..because netent playtech always allow to play all slots with low wagering (not all) and also few of them has max bet, but as low roller i dont care about it..
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        I missed that thread but a good example was one of the members (read the thread to see who)has asked for direct support a number of times because of the bonuses but still play them. It is up to them if they like them,it is their money and who am i to tell someone how to play?. As far as the USA is concerned (that is all i can speak on)when you take the bonuses you have to go over them with a fine tooth comb and even then you have to watch for the trap that is just waiting to close. Try winning 10,000 or above and see what happens(IMHO). I think if more players stir clear of the bonuses maybe the casinos will change. RTG in particular. I have seen enough non USA players post that they would not touch RTG with a ten foot pole. Wonder why?
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        I myself if I'm making a small deposit like $20 I will take a bonus but not more than 100%. In my opinion anything more than that would take forever to make the play through. When I first started online gambling I didn't know any better and I was taking 200%, 300%, etc.  I just looked at how much more money I had to play with and not so much the play through. Now it's only 50% of the time that I take a bonus. 
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        I only like to take a bonus at a casino i am familiar with and know the rules and only when i am making a small deposit to give me that playing power lift.  Wagering requirements can not be more than 25x and there can't be no silly max withdrawal limit either!

        But all in all i prefer straight deposits cuz it is hassle free without worrying about any play-through requirements.
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        If you are a low roller than deposit bonus gives you a better chance to win IMO but wageiring must be under 30x and if max cash out term is in place at least 10x deposit should be free for withdrawal.
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        lipstick_xoxos wrote:

        I only like to take a bonus at a casino i am familiar with and know the rules and only when i am making a small deposit to give me that playing power lift.  Wagering requirements can not be more than 25x and there can't be no silly max withdrawal limit either!

        But all in all i prefer straight deposits cuz it is hassle free without worrying about any play-through requirements.


        I AGREE TOTALLY WITH THIS STATEMENT!
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        chocolateman wrote:

        lipstick_xoxos wrote:

        I only like to take a bonus at a casino i am familiar with and know the rules and only when i am making a small deposit to give me that playing power lift.  Wagering requirements can not be more than 25x and there can't be no silly max withdrawal limit either!

        But all in all i prefer straight deposits cuz it is hassle free without worrying about any play-through requirements.


        I AGREE TOTALLY WITH THIS STATEMENT!





        Nice picture by the way.
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        Wow very interesting article . Now you really got me worried. Seven months ago I  signed up with inetbet casino because I always read what a great casino they were the best US casino.

        When I registered I sent  in all my documents and got approved because I didn't want to deal with the paperwork if I won. I am not a high roller I usually deposit between $25-50 dollars and use a bonus.

        Your right about all those damn stipulations your were referring to on the bonuses and inetbet has all the ones that were referred to.

        At Inetbet I would try and just use the simple straight forward ones with the simple slot bonus.

        Well on Sept 4th this month I hit my first random bonus for $15,000 . I only made a $25.00 dollar deposit with a 100% match bonus with no restrictions.

        I was blown away and couldn't believe it. I thought wow they were right about this being a great casino. I was thrilled because I had read so much about how they don't jerk US players around when it comes time to pay players plus I had all ready been approved.

        The first thing I did was to request $1,500 to see how smooth that would go. Well right away the usual bullshit started. The first e-mail I get after my request said ( we received your request for $1,500 and that is fine) but you will need to resubmit all you documents because this is your first deposit request.

        I thought wow no congratulations on my win they tell me that's fine. Right then and their I knew this might be a fight for my money. That is why I only ask for $1,500 to start.

        I sent all my documents within an hour of getting that e-mail. I sent the documents to security@inetbet .com. Well an entire week went by and I heard nothing.So I sent another e-mail asking about my withdrawal to support@inetbet.com.

        I get a response two days later telling me I need to send all documents to support@inetbet.com

        After I received that e-mail I sent the documents to both e-mail address. Well as of Today Tuesday the 16th I am still waiting for a response.

        A few days ago I read on a review site were someone posted that they had a difficult time claimimg a withdrawal of just a few hundred from inetbet . They said inetbet did not want to pay because they said the player was a bonus abuser. This person said they were shocked when that happen because they thought they were a great customer for the casino. They also stated the exact same thing I did is what he did. Depositing between $25.00-50.00 per deposit using a match bonus.

        He said they finally paid but no longer allowed him to use any bonus coupons . He said that he was so pissed off he told them to cancel his account and never played there again.

        I never used a non deposit bonus  at inetbet and I thought they encouraged the use of bonuses
        because they sent me e-mails 2-3 times every week begging me to use them.


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        For me bonus is worth claiming if:
          - rules are transparent
          - wagering requirement do not change house edge significantly on games I intend to play (Sommi posted a link above where calculation of house edge depending on bonus amoount and wagering is explained well)
          - there is absolutely no withdrawal limit (I find it silly to deposit and than have a withdrawal limit)
          - I can play the games I like with the bonus I claimed

        If all above is valid Im all for a bonus and will take it every time, but if any of it doesn't apply I will not claim the bonus (and that is absolutely without exceptions)
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        Wow very interesting article . Now you really got me worried. Seven months ago I  signed up with inetbet casino because I always read what a great casino they were the best US casino.

        When I registered I sent  in all my documents and got approved because I didn't want to deal with the paperwork if I won. I am not a high roller I usually deposit between $25-50 dollars and use a bonus.

        Your right about all those damn stipulations your were referring to on the bonuses and inetbet has all the ones that were referred to.

        At Inetbet I would try and just use the simple straight forward ones with the simple slot bonus.

        Well on Sept 4th this month I hit my first random bonus for $15,000 . I only made a $25.00 dollar deposit with a 100% match bonus with no restrictions.

        I was blown away and couldn't believe it. I thought wow they were right about this being a great casino. I was thrilled because I had read so much about how they don't jerk US players around when it comes time to pay players plus I had all ready been approved.

        The first thing I did was to request $1,500 to see how smooth that would go. Well right away the usual bullshit started. The first e-mail I get after my request said ( we received your request for $1,500 and that is fine) but you will need to resubmit all you documents because this is your first deposit request.

        I thought wow no congratulations on my win they tell me that's fine. Right then and their I knew this might be a fight for my money. That is why I only ask for $1,500 to start.

        I sent all my documents within an hour of getting that e-mail. I sent the documents to security@inetbet .com. Well an entire week went by and I heard nothing.So I sent another e-mail asking about my withdrawal to support@inetbet.com.

        I get a response two days later telling me I need to send all documents to support@inetbet.com

        After I received that e-mail I sent the documents to both e-mail address. Well as of Today Tuesday the 16th I am still waiting for a response.

        A few days ago I read on a review site were someone posted that they had a difficult time claimimg a withdrawal of just a few hundred from inetbet . They said inetbet did not want to pay because they said the player was a bonus abuser. This person said they were shocked when that happen because they thought they were a great customer for the casino. They also stated the exact same thing I did is what he did. Depositing between $25.00-50.00 per deposit using a match bonus.

        He said they finally paid but no longer allowed him to use any bonus coupons . He said that he was so pissed off he told them to cancel his account and never played there again.

        I never used a non deposit bonus  at inetbet and I thought they encouraged the use of bonuses
        because they sent me e-mails 2-3 times every week begging me to use them.









        I am no big Inetbet fan but they do pay if you followed all requirements to the T. If you made one mistake they will take your money. As far as bonuses, there has been a lot of complaints as far as them taking away bonuses once you win. I have never won so i can only tell you what i read. I know that some people do like bonuses but if you look at the direct support thread like i said, most complaints are about those very bonuses. I am a low roller myself but even if i deposit $10 i never use a bonus. To much headache (IMHO).
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        I will rarely take a bonus however, I will take a bonus at a reputable microgaming casino very occasionally but even that is rare.  i hate havng to follow bonus rules as they certainly can stitch you up if you put a foot wrong.

        @gwolfman - I hope you get your withdrawal.  I don't understand why they have asked for your docs twice.  You said you sent them in straight away and now again, they require them in order to process your withdrawal.

        Congratulations on your win!
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        It kind of bothered me to check rules every time I'd take a bonus and then worrying if everything was going to be okay. Nowadays, I play only with my deposits and I will take a bonus if it really is a good offer and I think it could be worth playing.

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