Hi all,
I thought about this while reading "What one man does to avoid work?", and my question is, are you allowed to gamble when you receive benefits??
I know it is not allowed over here in the Netherlands, but what about other countries??
My personal opinion is that you shouldn't be allowed to gamble, cause than basically you are gambling with other people's money i think.......
Let me know what you think......
Johan
Are you allowed to Gamble while on Benefits?
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and that is what i do, i limit my gambling of course, everything else comes first,
and it is true what others said, and to be perfectly honest with you, we are still human, and if we have a tiny little left to have some fun with, then why not, it does not do any harm does it
and yes i do see what you are saying
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I know at one point Social Security benefits was considering disallowing payments if the money was spent on gambling. I don't know what ever became of that but as far as any type of benefits i think it would be ludicrous to control what person does with that money.
First off it's the people who pay into benefits not the government and the person who claims them have paid their dues. Collecting any type of benefits means there is a hardship on that person either with a disability or lack of work. Controlling how or what they do with these benefits is just another example of the Big Brother is watching us.
As far as i am concerned it is just another excuse to find a way for the gov to spend OUR money and not shell it out.
As far as the gov knowing if the money is spent on gambling it would boil down to their bank accounts being monitored and the banks reporting it. Writing a check at a casino or making a withdrawal at a ATM machine in the casino would give it away. But there is always a way to get around that by not writing checks and withdrawing money outside the casino.
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in my opinion other people should not pay to support somebody elses gambling addiction. It also would seem irresponsible to gamble if obviously you cant really afford it. perhaps that money would be better spent on personal upgrade or looking for a job/better job? and unfortunately, many people who receive benefits have not paid their dues, or far exceeded in entitlements what they will ever pay into the system. i just feel like if you are in a position where you need help, how can you justify spending the money on gambling??
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Then the answer is no, i think there's a difference between drinking a beer and gambling your social benefits.
I admit it is a grey line,
i think, first of all, that if you gamble away all your money, it's not a good thing to do, the same if you drink away all your money is not a good thing to do also.
But i think your comparison goes a bit to far johnny, should one be allowed to go to McDonald's when on benefits? Should one be allowed to go out dancing once a week while on benefits??
I don't know, but the real question is, you get money to get by from the taxpayers or the working people (at least here in the netherlands that is), and you should make yourself responsible for how you gonna spend this money, and then the question raises, do the "working people" approve what you are doing??
I mean, the money is intended for you to support yourself, then gambling won't be one of them right?
I know people here that are on benefits, but they aren't even allowed to own a car if they have no need of it for getting to their work etc.
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Maybe I was a bit too abrupt in my post. What I meant is that if someone gambles 10 bucks per month, just for fun, I don't see anything wrong with that, regardless of where that money comes from.
If one gambles away ALL his money or a big chunk of it, then I agree, that is a problem if that someone is on benefits. -
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^^ was kidding for those who didn't know.
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You are indeed witty gabby, brilliant or valuable, i don't know..............lol
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in my opinion other people should not pay to support somebody elses gambling addiction. It also would seem irresponsible to gamble if obviously you cant really afford it. perhaps that money would be better spent on personal upgrade or looking for a job/better job? and unfortunately, many people who receive benefits have not paid their dues, or far exceeded in entitlements what they will ever pay into the system. i just feel like if you are in a position where you need help, how can you justify spending the money on gambling??
I agree with this comment entirely.
Social Security is money you paid in your whole life to retire on, you are entitled to this money when you reach a certain age.. this is money you do whatever you want.. Disabilty falls in with this somewhat, it is money you paid in but shared/distributed to help pay those that have not paid in enough or any at all that need it..
Welfare system type payments should be money used to take care of your family while in need. The little they give you seems to me you'd not have enough to be out gambling.
Would you want anyone/someone else gambling/supporting addictions/mis-using your earned money and feel comfortable with that? -
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I get the whole concept of tax payers money and resenting those that take advantage. If you have paid into a particular benefit and must one day use it yourself then by all means you are entitled to have some fun in moderation. You can't expect a person to avoid entertainment because they fell on hard times. $10 or $20 here and there isn't going to break the bank nor does the person deserve to be stoned because of it.
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i wasnt going to reply again to this thread, but i just feel i had too,
Gabby i saw your post before the forum lost it gue to the server change and although i totally respect what you said,
i have a few points i need to add
Do you expect people who are claiming benefits to be miserable and not have at least a little entertainment so they can at least for a little time escape the misery they are always or are always suffering,
as like myself who needs some escapism, i have explained in other threads and posts my situation, and the fact i can not work, so does it mean peoples views about people who claim benefits is for all people regardless of thier own personal circumstaces or situation, i for one think everyone is entitled to do what ever they like as long as it is in moderation regardless being on benefits or not, yes that money is to help people get by, and sometimes we have a little left over that we can use for some forms of entertainment, some choose to goto the cinema or swimming or other things, others choose gambling, morally correct or not, this is the modern age,
and yes we are very lucky to have a welfare system in place, but we are all human and we all need to have some fun at some point
just needed to say this
i forgot to say this too so i just edited the post, i did touch on it, we are all human regardless there should not be any devide in that aspect even when it comes to wealth and many other things, we all should be treated as equal regardless of his/her personal circumstances. yes this is a public forum, we are all entitled to our own personal views but what i am saying is logic and i think common sense. moral views shouldnt even come into it in my own opinion
ok i think that is it now
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Welfare should be a temporary situation, it is designed to be used if 1 you are not eligible for disablity, you cannot get unemployment benefits, this money is to help you stay a float until this situation is resolved ( for instance getting a job) so i think temporarly, gambling should not be apart of it
Lucky i think you're situation is different then this, BUT if you are expecting to be cut off the end of the year.. my advice is you should start saving some money and put it away (a couple months rent if possible) until something can happen for you.. possibly some side jobs like landscaping, or handy man helper (i don't know what your qualities are) im giving an example..
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I could be wrong.
There. I said it. So...still I am just thinking. Should people be able to buy alcohol and ciggies with their 'benefits'? Should people be able to gamble online when living in a country that says NO to that?
Should people on SNAP (food stamps) benefits be able to buy cokes and ice cream?
I don't know about any 'welfare'. I am on unemployment until I get a job or it runs out. Then I'm actively pursuing disability or a cure for what all ails me. They don't let you have an open disability case while on unemployment (but I say that's wrong until you are approved for disability, you ARE NOT disabled and can't receive benefits). It can take two years or more for most people to get approved for disability. So a lot of people in this stuck situation have to ....what? Sell their home, try to get some enjoyment and a possible MIRACLE of a nice cashout, beg?
I personally do not spend much on gambling. Always out for the free-est, easiest way to get a little balance up and try for a cashout. Or, use my 'earned' money from the casino to try to pacify my self-doubt and shame of using my 'benefits' to fund a few bingo games. Gee, I worked for my living; unemployment benefits were part of the 'package' of benefits that were given to me in lieu of a decent salary. I don't feel bad about using my benefits. But some people might want me to feel very bad about my private, personal business.
There are obviously people who work the system, but around here if you have no children in the home, you can get SNAP but no health care (unless totally below poverty level) and no cash benefits to buy toilet paper and soap.
I wonder how many little old gentlemen and ladies at the Bingo Parlor are on 'benefits'. You want to take that away from them? Them's fighting words!
Isn't life tough enough without worrying about what other people are doing? What, are ya jealous? I never understood folks who just like to pick apart other's lives. Walk a mile or twenty in their shoes. Just because someone feels what someone else is doing is wrong or unfair doesn't make it so. If anyone is tired of this same old story, well, they should just turn the page or maybe worry about their own issues or about helping other human beings whenever possible. Keep posting the free chips and spins and advice! We know everyone here really needs that info whether healthy or not, self-sufficient or not, greedy bastardios or not as well... Note the opinions expressed by me are not necessarily the same as yours or theirs, and thanks for letting me express my thoughts. Hopefully it doesn't start a feud because I'm really just trying to say it's all good and everything we debate about won't matter to us in a few decades anyway. Enjoy your life and let others enjoy theirs (as long as they can get away with it).
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i am totally biased when there is any discussion about "unemployment benefits" as a business owner my state unemployment taxes have risen five fold (%500) over the last several years. This is due to the routine abuses of people who receive benefits (after paying into the system for such a short time) and never even look for a job. it is amazing how fast someone can get a job once the (three years ) of benefits is over...go figure...I AM PAYING FOR THESE PEOPLE
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I hear you, dabigdog. Being a business owner has it's goods and bads. I commend you for being able to provide employment and manage all the finances and business parts of conducting business. And I have no doubt many are spending their benefits on activities such as you mention. For me, UI made the difference between losing my home and having food or sleeping on the street. It's because I made the choice to move out into the country and ended up broke, alone, depressed, and stressing out way too much for my own health. I made the best decisions I could at the time.
So thank you for what you contribute to those who truly need some major limited help. I'd be upset with all the abuse that's out there, just like you are, if I had to personally fund them from what is supposed to be the profits from my business. Good point. . -
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dont people who work pay into social security benifits until they are unable to work well i would say it depends on what benifits you recieve .I agree if its your money thats paid in,i disagree if its tax payers money but then again like lips said the gov. wants to control to much 8'|
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but then again like lips said the gov. wants to control to much 8'|
I hate that the government gets their nose in sooo much of our business. That being said, if I have worked since age 15 and pay dearly in taxes, I don't want welfare money to be used on drugs, alcohol, cigs or gambling.
I did have a post that was lost that did state unemployment falls under a different category than 'free money', UNLESS someone takes advantage of those benefits and is perfectly capable of being employed but chooses not too in order to be lazy and collect unemployment. -
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I really don't see the point of this thread , everyone knows it was right after RJ posted about his mental issues and gambling.. here we are supposed to be freindly at least as fellows yet this author brings up a very touchy subject especially to some of our members. Benefits are just that benefits, aid is aid two different things there i can assure you from experience.
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yep and that is why i have kept this civil as it is me who seems to be getting attacked again from a certain individual, but i am not going to say anything else, i said what i said earlier in the thread which it seems was just totally ignored too even though i said i respect everyones opinions because like i said, it is a free public forum and free speech should always prevail, but i do feel some are crossing the line and although not directly aiming it to me specifically it feels like it is all aimed at me personally.
and if this is meant to be a nice friendly forum, sometimes it makes me wonder if it is
im not going to say anymore on this subject, it seems people still dont like me since that last incident that happened.
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Oh for pitys sake.
Where in this entire thread as ANYONE posted a single negative thing about a person on this forum?
I quoted a part of RJ's post in which he said: 'everyone has a right to their opinion' in which I responded 'agreed'.
A question was asked and EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion.
Forgive me if some of you, which we could not know, are on assistance and spend their government money on booze, cigs, meth and tattoos, as was previously mentioned. -
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I really don't see the point of this thread , everyone knows it was right after RJ posted about his mental issues and gambling..
I must have missed that statement.
Lucky posts quite often on this forum and although I do not know him personally, he is indeed quite eloquent and intellegent in his posts. That being said, I have employed several people with bipolar. I don't know his mental illness and it is none of my business but for the work I need done, he certainly seems more than capable.
This was not said as an insult, rather a compliment. If it is taken any other way......what is one to do?
Last post for me on the subject. Frankly, I am sick and tired ot tip toeing around possibly hurting someone's feeling, unknowingly, because of their feeling attatcked when no attack was made by anyone. -
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yep and that is why i have kept this civil as it is me who seems to be getting attacked again from a certain individual, but i am not going to say anything else, i said what i said earlier in the thread which it seems was just totally ignored too even though i said i respect everyones opinions because like i said, it is a free public forum and free speech should always prevail, but i do feel some are crossing the line and although not directly aiming it to me specifically it feels like it is all aimed at me personally.
and if this is meant to be a nice friendly forum, sometimes it makes me wonder if it is
im not going to say anymore on this subject, it seems people still dont like me since that last incident that happened.
LuckyRJ
As i am the author, i would like to say sorry for making you feel that you are under attack. That was NOT my intention, i was just wondering how people's thoughts were about the subject.
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well most cases loafers are loafers lazy and whatnot , but you asked about benefits and that is usually the case of disabled or such.. second rate citizien i am fairly sick myself of having to pronounce my justification of being period to you average working men and women who i can most assuredly are just showing up to get a check from their so called jobs. I worked ard in my day and i get only a small percentage of my benefits so yea i gamble, damn right i do.. i also smoke weed f****** eh right.
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first off let me say i love this forum and the mods thats here .I do have a major problem with a couple of things though we have way to many members who behave like mods,(use the report button).Some people dont know how to reply to a subject with their views without attacking or making another member feel bad.Ive been here a while and i feel RESPECT has flown out the window.I remember when i first started limiting my posts was after i asked a simple question about a casino titan freeroll and got a very nasty reply from melcb and another member.Im half blind even with my glasses and i didnt know if anyone that has made a deposit or a recent deposit could sign up for the freeroll.Anyways im sorry rj that some replys were offensive but everyone is entitled to their opinion even a tactless one.I myself am disabled and i do work part time with the blessing of our dear government.I also worked all of my life so if i want to sit on my fat duff i can.I choose to work because i would go crazy at this house.I gamble also when i can and i welcolme any replys good or bad.The bottom line is honesty and if you are perfect start casting stones
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Rena,
The last thing i would want anyone on this forum do is to intentionally hurt another person and i do everything in my power to prevent it when i see it happen. Sometimes i think the written word can be misconstrued and come across differently then the original intent.
I think another thing to take under consideration is we are all from different parts of the world. Cultures can be vastly differ in their approach and can be taken the wrong way when in reality there was no cold or cruel remark trying to be made.
I don't think i saw the post that you are referring to about Melcb but i can pretty much bet that she was not trying to hurt you in anyway. LCB and the community mean the world to her as well as the rest of the staff.
I am not trying to say that what you feel and the fact you were hurt is not real, but to please give the benefit of the doubt in certain situations. If you are ever treated poorly by any members here please don't hesitate to PM me or any mod in the case we do not spot it and i assure you it will be handled.
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I had one too looney but it also got lost. I have contemplated to re-write it too but it was like 3 paragraphs long........sigh.
Here is the condensed version:
Why does every one seem to claim that those getting benefits are cheating the tax payers? I mean unless it is unemployment benefits and someone refuses to work i don't quite understand. We pay into Social Security and it comes out of our check every single week. So if the unfortunate mishap happens in someones life and they claim SS why is it suddenly everyone else who is paying for it?
If you get a chunk taken out of your check that YOU paid into and need it later because you are disabled, i say God Bless ya and spend it as you see fit! It is bad enough you are disabled and can't work but don't take away their freedom along with it. I say drink, gamble, smoke and do whatever turns you on because you already live a restricted life!
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I had to reply, i was lying in bed watching tv, nice to see u back lips, and nice to see my posts don't get a thank you or don't get mentioned or reply too
me not saying anymore.
this thread has already upset me enough allready because of a lot of views and they not taking into account what you just said in your previous post about we are all from different countrys around the world and views and benefit systems are different too. but o well, i will just from now on keep all my personal opinions to myself (they get ignored anyway)
LuckyRJ
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