Do You Agree or Disagree That Women Are Not Allowed to Cover their Face?

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        PARIS — France put into motion Monday the world's first ban on Islamic face veils, meaning that women may bare their breasts in Cannes but not cover their faces on the Champs-Elysees.

        Two veiled women were hauled off from a Paris protest just hours after the ban came into effect. Their unauthorized demonstration, on the cobblestone square facing Notre Dame Cathedral, was rich with both the symbolism of France's modern spirit of defiance and its medieval history.

        While some see encroaching Islamophobia in the new ban, President Nicolas Sarkozy's government defended it as a rampart protecting France's identity against inequality and extremism. Police grumbled that it will be hard to enforce.

        "The law is very clear. Hiding your face in public places is cause for imposing sanctions," Interior Minister Claude Gueant said Monday at an EU meeting in Luxembourg. He said it defends "two fundamental principles: the principle of secularism and the principle of equality between man and woman."

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        Looking at it from a security viewpoint .......the law is absolutely fair....an individuals right for freedom  should never outweight the rights of lawful protection for others.......it is similar to removing glasses and hats when going onto the bank.  the laws of certain religions should never be given so much priority that they outweigh everyone elses laws.....tough love for the good of the people
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        I see what your saying dab and it's a valid point. But in reality how much is that really protecting France from a woman walking around with a veil on her face. There are other ways to hide your identity if that's the case. Put on a straw floppy hat and call it a day.

        This is their religion and i wonder now if they refuse to even leave their homes. In western culture it is hard to even grasp why a woman would have to cover her face. How could it actually be a sin against God? But in their faith it is obviously a strong reason. And in a way i can't help but feel sorry for them now.

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        Women as well as anybody should be free to express themselves imo.  (It's a first amendment right in the US Constitution).

        Moreover it is ironic that it is against the law to say something perceived as racist in France, yet denying women the right to cover their faces seems against that very law they're trying to uphold.

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        This decision is widely criticized by EU officials as well by opposition parties in France.

        Proportionally the number of Muslim women who cover their face in France is insignificant compare to the entire population of French Muslim women. So this law make no sense whats so ever.

        If they think it will protect them against potential terrorist attacks then they couldn't be more wrong.  I mean who are they kidding?

        And what happened to the french national motto - Liberté, égalité, fraternité ( liberty, equality, brotherhood) ) ?

        IMO this is an attack on the civil liberties in France.

        And whats next? They gonna ban wearing pants, long skirts and long sleeves coz u might be hiding a gun or a knife?

        This law is going to create more problems then its going to fix.

        We may like or dislike other cultures, their customs, maybe we dont understand them and maybe even fear them. But it is irrational fear, which is one step away from irrational hate.

        And we shouldn't be obliged to like it, however we should respect it and respect their choice. I say live and let live.

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        I have to agree with you on this one Zuga. The excuse for implementing such a law makes no sense. If a person wanted to hide their identity they certainly could do it by other means. In fact many other cultures, religions and societies choosing to mask their identity have ample alternatives.

        So i suppose the real question is what is the underlying reason? You can't prevent someone from wearing a veil yet allow another to where shades, hat,wig and fake mustache. I think this may have just opened up a can of worms.

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        i wonder if these women ever get to voice their opinions or do they just listen to their wife beater masters?  I was stationed in Saudi Arabia a couple times and worked with Saudi men daily.  They all beat their wives regularly and would smack them routinely for no reason.  They were the reason the women did what they did.....the women were married slaves with no role but to serve and breed.....thats it....what kind of LAW is this???  lets ask the ladies
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        Men and women should be allowed to wear anything they want, this law is absolutely useless and arbitrary. The most upsetting this is, as Zuga said, that it opens the door to more such bans. Before we know it they might outlaw wearing a hat or having long hair...
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        i totally agree with Johhny Karp....my question is.....are these women wearing it because they want to or are they being forced to??
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        dabigdog wrote:

        my question is.....are these women wearing it because they want to or are they being forced to??


        That is their tradition. However, there are plenty of Islamic women that stopped wearing the veil, even in Afghanistan.
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        dabigdog wrote:

        They all beat their wives regularly and would smack them routinely for no reason.  They were the reason the women did what they did.....the women were married slaves with no role but to serve and breed.....thats it....what kind of LAW is this???  lets ask the ladies


        This is the typical prejudice and preconceptions that ppl have about the middle east. You cant tag the whole nation, ethnic or religious group just coz there are some men who beat their wives and treat them like slaves.

        Their customs are quite specific ( some customs may struck  as odd to us ), very traditional and patriarchal and it is true that some civil liberties are in jeopardy in some of these middle east countries.

        But this topic is about banning veils in France which is an attack against civil liberties.
        The law itself is very controversial and IMO makes no sense at all.

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        Well dabigdog i don't think that women on a whole are forced to dress this way. It's a choice for many Muslim women. We see on television images of women in Afghanistan being beaten for not being properly dressed but that's what the media wants us to see.

        We as Americans (some not all) have bitter feelings towards this and instantly equate it to terrorism. Many women choose this attire as symbol of expression and actually prefer it. Whether it symbolizes their religion or frees them from having to be judged based on their looks. The whole religion aspect is overrated as to why many women choose to cover themselves up.

        As far as I'm concerned it's like telling me i can no longer wear a hat in public when i have a bad hair day.

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        I see what your saying dab and it's a valid point. But in reality how much is that really protecting France from a woman walking around with a veil on her face. There are other ways to hide your identity if that's the case. Put on a straw floppy hat and call it a day.

        This is their religion and i wonder now if they refuse to even leave their homes. In western culture it is hard to even grasp why a woman would have to cover her face. How could it actually be a sin against God? But in their faith it is obviously a strong reason. And in a way i can't help but feel sorry for them now.

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        I see your point, Lips.


        My question.  If I were to go to a country where women were required to cover their face, would I be obligated to do the same?  I remember the movie "Not without My Daughter with Sally Field (great movie, btw), she had to wear a viel as not to offend.  IF that's the case, I guess it goes both ways.  If we have to follow their ways, they should follow ours.
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          For your info, under this new legislation, if a man makes a woman wear a burka, he could be fined 25,000 euros and face a custodial sentence. But if a woman breaks the ban, she would face much less harsh punishment –a fine of 150 euros, and a citizenship course.

          I have no doubt that this case will be brought before the European Court of Human Rights and likely win.

          The UK Govt. have stated that it would be very "unbritish" to impose such a ban - damn right!

          I don't agree with the ban personally but I've found reading this thread extremely interesting with all the different points of view.

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          Well I would have to say, being from the U.S. and having two brother-in-laws that have served multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, and being a US Army vet myself, having watched 911 happen as it happenned......that this is quite ironic that France, who so openly criticized the US for invading Iraq is imposing rules against "Islamic woman" mainly I assume. But personal views about that aside I think that it is just another form of the Gov't trying to take away human rights. I mean come on most of the ones I have seen women wearing are pretty "seethrough" anyway....It's not like they are wearing ski-masks or nylons over their heads.....anyway I disagree and think it is a gross injustice! What's next Catholic Nuns can't wear their headgear?priests can't wear their collars?....Incidently I am protestant and don't practice as much as I should.....just using examples=)....shutting up now=)

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