Do you believe in ghosts?

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  • My grandmother recently died.  Two days prior to her death, my grandfather came by for a brief visit (The thing is, grampa has been dead for years).  I was in my room, on my computer, at my desk which faces the wall with the door, when I saw him walk by. WTF?!  I had to do a double take!  I stood up and walked towards the door... and there he was in the hallway, just standing there, didnt say anything.  It was him!  He wasn't ghost-like, I couldn't see through his body or anything like that.  And after a few seconds, he walked down the stairs, and that was it.  Didnt say anything.  I kinda wish he said something.  He pulled that same sneaky visit when I was 20 (when he was alive).  That time, I was having sex with a girlfriend.  We looked up, and my grandpa was standing there at the doorway. lol  How embarrassing!  I wonder how long he had been standing there.  lol

    Yesterday morning, I thought I saw my grandfather's ghost again...but this time it was out the corner of my eye...too brief...just my imagination is what I tell myself.  And so, all day all night yesterday, I had been kinda sorta hoping waiting for him to stop by again, so I could catch him in the act of 'visiting.'  lol  I just wanna say 'Whats up?'  lol

    Before seeing my grandfather that night, prior to my grandma's death, I didnt really believe ghosts.  But now, I'm convinced they exist.

    Do you believe in ghosts?

  • Hello Ishin cheesy  I most definately believe in ghosts/spirits. I had a similar experience w/my grandfather after he passed away I had stayed w/my grandma that following week and slept in my grandpas room.  I awoke to see some cloudy image, like my eyes werent focused and felt this comforting feeling  I just knew that was my grampas "touch"!  I was so at peace after this happened, as we were very close. I just knew he was sayin that it was ok and he was ok smiley 

  • Ishin, Ishin, Ishin...
    I don't necessarily believe in ghosts, like Casper...lol...but gosh darn, so many ways have there been messages given to me that nobody else but the departed person would have known to "say" or convey to me.  One thing is heart shaped rocks.  I'll be somewhere, get this feeling, and within about a minute, there's a heart shaped rock.  Last one was a seashell, a couple of weeks ago.  It's not like they are all that common.
    I'm still in love with this guy who's been dead now since 1988-my fiance, Rick, who told me a week before he wasn't always going to be around to help me (then added, well, I *will* be there, but...).  I get vibes from him regularly, and his son says he has visited at their old house several times ("oh, it's just my dad again...").  For example, I was listening to the radio and they were having people call in and give "pet names" their gf/bf had for them.  I thought of Rick and how this one time he looked at me all funny and called me "poopybutt".  He only did it once and it was strange at the time.  Next thing I know, some girl comes on the radio and says,"my boyfriend used to call me poopybutt".  Those are the only two times I'd ever even heard anyone use the word.
    Well, there's been hundreds of these strange coincidences.  So many I'm sure some folks think I am nuts even bringing them up.  I have never actually seen a departed person physically but I have felt them, been influenced by them, and sometimes in dreams...well...the mind is a tricky thing.

    I once drew a charcoal picture of a man's face, but the nose/mouth area was kinda like dented in, and right in front of his eyes I drew this little thing that looked like a hula-girl.  The man looked a little like Henry, my boyfriend who was gone (not dead) for a long time.  I wondered why the wierd face and why the little hulagirl.  Like something on a dashboard.  Henry died of an overdose in an HEB parking lot, in my car.  I  had been looking for him (and my car!) for days.  He had been dead 3 days when they finally noticed him in their parking lot.  they had to have a  closed casket funeral because his face was dented from having been on the steering wheel the whole time.  Hula girl on dashboard?  Dented face?  About a year later I made the connection.  It was quite a realization I had drawn that picture at least a year before his death.

    Some people said I just saw something I wanted to see in that drawing.  Trust me, it's not something I wanted to see - it was downright creepy.

    I'm going to quit for now, other than to reveal chillymellow is a word that Rick came up with ("they need something like a chillymellow-here, have a chillymellow) one evening to describe something that you could take or have to chill and/or (haha) mellow you out when you were stressed.  Hope you get to have another visit with your grandpa-maybe he'll wave at you to say hello.



  • So many I'm sure some folks think I am nuts even bringing them up.  I have never actually seen a departed person physically but I have felt them, been influenced by them, and sometimes in dreams...well...the mind is a tricky thing.


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    I think you're nutz!  haha...you know i'm jk.  well maybe just a little nutz.  lol

    Yeah, the trippy thing is I actually saw my gramps physically.  It wasn't scary or anything...it just tripped me out.

    I'm prepared now...next time I see him, I'm gonna lunge forward and grab him before he can get away.  lol



    Some people said I just saw something I wanted to see in that drawing.  Trust me, it's not something I wanted to see - it was downright creepy.



    That is a creepy story!  Why you tryin to freak me out?!  lol


    [quote author=chillymellow link=topic=13519.msg123613#msg123613 date=1283364785]

    ....Rick came up with ("they need something like a chillymellow-here, have a chillymellow) one evening to describe something that you could take or have to chill and/or (haha) mellow you out when you were stressed.



    A nice green bowl of Weedies will chill and mellow you out.  : )

  • A nice green bowl of Weedies will chill and mellow you out.  : )

    yes and hurry the eff up with that, please!!!! cool


  • A nice green bowl of Weedies will chill and mellow you out.  : )

    yes and hurry the eff up with that, please!!!! cool


    lmfao
  • Ishin.. i don't know how i would handle SEEING someone in front of me that has passed on, i kind of feel i wouldn't be too scared if i know them say my mother or brother,.. but seeing someone i dont know.. different story..

    Well, i did have an experience we couldn't put a peticular person on it, it did happen and there was something or someone there.. this link tells the story if you want to read it..

    https://lcb.org/onlinecasinobonusforum/general-discussion/how-many-of-you-beleive/

    as far as individual persons not me but my daughter has had some with her father, he was a chef in his profession, but also at home he was very protective of his stove and oven, when she would clean hers she would lift the burners to clean under them placing them back after.. all done, she would walk out of the kitchen a few minutes later returning to the kitchen and find the burners stacked.. now this didn't happen just one time, a few more times on different occasions, the burners were either re-arranged or stacked, she says she knows it's her father and it doesn't scare her, but by golly gee bee geez it would scare the heck out of me...



  • ...a few minutes later returning to the kitchen and find the burners stacked.. now this didn't happen just one time, a few more times on different occasions, the burners were either re-arranged or stacked, she says she knows it's her father and it doesn't scare her, but by golly gee bee geez it would scare the heck out of me...



    whoa!  triiiiipy!  I think that would give me the eeeebie jeeebies for days.
  • Yeah, i'm trying to say, if it is someone we know how can that scare us, my daughter says she just feels calm because she beleives it's her father, he would cause no harm to her.

    But in the other story with the balloons.. something like that being an unknown is scarey, later i did hear gossip in the apt complex about other strange things that happened to other people, but nothing more to us. I'll never forget the room getting so cold and feeling so chilled, not only i but the kids and her father too.

  • Yes Ish, I believe in ghosts.  Rather, spirits, us out of body form. I believe your grandfather was visiting, paying you a visit and I think it's touching that you were aware of his presence:)

  • The human brain can "project" all sorts of things.  It's 2010 folks, there is no such thing as ghosts.

  • After my mom died we found a note she had written and hidden in a drawer that said on the outside: DO NOT OPEN THIS OR I WILL HAUNT YOU FOREVER!

    We opened it.  I don't think we've been haunted.  It was for me an interesting insight into my mom's secret silly human thoughts.

    Drpsyche38-your opinion always counts, doesn't it?  What does the current year on our human-brainly projected calendar have to do with it?  I mean, it could be 5000 BC or AD (should you choose to believe in the whole BC/AC theory) and your statement should always be true.  Or false.  Thanks for sharing your opinion.  Mine is that if the perceptions of the human brain are such that if a pattern or phenomenon is perceived or exists, we will give it a name.  Ghosts exist in many people's perceptions.  Coincidences do as well.  The fact that we have a word "ghost" pretty much says a "ghost" can exist, even if it's only a projection of a feeling.  Heck, I'll bet there is a "ghost" in every one of my dictionaries.  Doesn't mean you'll ever meet one.

  • Chilly, that's a cute story, my mom had the same sense of humor.  I tend to agree with the good Drpsyche here, but disagree on this one.  It's one of those things where you have to experience it and/or believe it, like religion.  And we don't wanna get started on that lol. 

  • what if the name "ghost" had another name like "hats" would there be no such thing, i think it is what society has put in our brains that theres no such thing so we don't see them, the only people that do see them are the ones who at no point in their lives beleives that there is no such thing, at some point its been in their mind that they do exist. If you have an absolute no such thing, do not exist, theres some explaination type of mind other then it was a ghost.. then yes they do not exist.. TO YOU

  • Well, I was laying in bed (Dorm style) with several others..Saw a "Figure" walk down the hallyway towards us. Couldn't make who it was out, so then I saw "It" turn and walk into a solid steel door.  shocked shocked The guy beside me said "Did you see that?" We went to check the three possible areas "It" could have gone into.

    Nothing in the 2 and the third was that steel door (To the furnace) so that's been one of mine experiences.

    I have had a couple others I really treasure personally. Sometimes I'll "Feel" something walking on my bed and then it may feel like it's walking on my legs. This was my cat who passed many years ago.

    The other times it's as though something heavy jumped on the bed and then flopped down. That would be my dog Tick, he was forever doing that.

    That's when I miss them all the most. :'( :'( :'( :'(

  • Chilly...in response to your question below:

    Good point....I mean we have advanced to some degree as humans.  We don't know everything, but we sure know more than in 1700.  There is no such thing as a ghost, and what we have learned about he human brain tells us that people "project" their desires, unresloved issues, wishful thinking, etc, in a multiple of ways.  We have learned more about the human brain in the last 10 years than in the last 1000. 

    Thoughout history, people have believed in all sorts of silly things that later have been proved false.


    Drpsyche38-your opinion always counts, doesn't it?  What does the current year on our human-brainly projected calendar have to do with it?  I mean, it could be 5000 BC or AD (should you choose to believe in the whole BC/AC theory) and your statement should always be true.  Or false.  Thanks for sharing your opinion.  Mine is that if the perceptions of the human brain are such that if a pattern or phenomenon is perceived or exists, we will give it a name.  Ghosts exist in many people's perceptions.  Coincidences do as well.  The fact that we have a word "ghost" pretty much says a "ghost" can exist, even if it's only a projection of a feeling.  Heck, I'll bet there is a "ghost" in every one of my dictionaries.  Doesn't mean you'll ever meet one.



  • After my mom died we found a note she had written and hidden in a drawer that said on the outside: DO NOT OPEN THIS OR I WILL HAUNT YOU FOREVER!

    We opened it.  I don't think we've been haunted.  It was for me an interesting insight into my mom's secret silly human thoughts.

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    haha  thats funny!  I like your mom's sense of humor.  I sense you've inherited some of her quirkiness and sense of laughter.

    [quote author=chillymellow link=topic=13519.msg123670#msg123670 date=1283377314]

    Drpsyche38-your opinion always counts, doesn't it?  What does the current year on our human-brainly projected calendar have to do with it?  I mean, it could be 5000 BC or AD (should you choose to believe in the whole BC/AC theory) and your statement should always be true.  Or false.  Thanks for sharing your opinion.  Mine is that if the perceptions of the human brain are such that if a pattern or phenomenon is perceived or exists, we will give it a name.  Ghosts exist in many people's perceptions.  Coincidences do as well.  The fact that we have a word "ghost" pretty much says a "ghost" can exist, even if it's only a projection of a feeling.  Heck, I'll bet there is a "ghost" in every one of my dictionaries.  Doesn't mean you'll ever meet one.



    Exactly.  Nicely said.

    ...in the end, my perception is my reality.

  • I wonder what a caveman would of thought if he seen a ghost, did ghosts exist then... i wonder how a caveman would have described to his wife or children that he seen a ghost.. i wonder if he even would have know a ghost if he seen one... hmmm..



  • The human brain can "project" all sorts of things.  It's 2010 folks, there is no such thing as ghosts.

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    [quote author=drpsyce38 link=topic=13519.msg123695#msg123695 date=1283387681]

    Thoughout history, people have believed in all sorts of silly things that later have been proved false.



    I have to say I am a bit surprised to hear these comments coming from you...

    In various posts within this site, you claim to be a deeply religious person.  Religion, the Bible, its stories, its entire belief construct, faith, and religious institutions as a whole... is the epitome of the belief in the intangible.

    How do you deal with yourself and come to terms with this contradiction?



  • My only son passed away last november,since then some strange things have been happening around the house.My brother fron texas was out in may of this year,he took a picture of my son that we had on the wall.there was a white glow coverying his face only,the rest of the picture showed up.Very strange,I think he is an angle

  • Was going to ask tbe same thing about drpsyche's post when I saw another topic in which he said he was praying for someone.  Was going to comment about the Holy Ghost, but didn't as he may not practice Christianity but some other religion.

    Diarylab2's post reminded me.  I had taken a picture of my car,  before Henry died in it.  I didn't have it developed before he died.  Had forgotten about it.  When I did finally get the film developed, there was this huge red streak all over the car, like blood.  I had a reprint done-wasn't there, of course.  Oh, also...the night before Henry left in my car and died, he had just gotten back from Oklahoma.  I hadn't seen him in months and I was also recovering from the killing of my best friend a few weeks before, so I was a little emotional.  I told him I wanted him to know how much I cared for and loved him and said "because you never know-you could die tomorrow".  He looked at me all horrified and said "Don't say that!".  He was Hispanic, and I guess that was not proper for me to say.   He died the next day.

    And Rick had told my mom a day or so before he was killed that he was going somewhere and would probably get shot.  One night I had told him that I wanted him to be happy.  He said that was never going to happen.  He died from a hollow point .22 shot directly into his chest the next day, so really he never did get the chance.

  • An old friend, I was 16 he was 18 and a friend of ours, he used to say that every 3rd generation male died when they were 18.  He said he didn't know if he believed his family said (they were spanish) but it made him nervous when he turned 18.  During the summer, he stopped running around and started staying home all the time, hanging with us more every day, just chillin.  Not trouble making, honestly seemingly to be providing joy or something to everyone around him.  One day a few weeks into the summer he went to the store with 3 guys we knew from high school but our group didn't hang with often.  He said he didn't want to go, but they convinced him so he went.  We found out that night that the driver lost control on a curve, and they hit an electric pole.  It hit on the drivers side, back seat door and caved it in, right where David was sitting.  He was the only one who died.  Everyone else not only survived, but barely had a scratch on them.  My mom who I didn't even know knew the kid, and who I wasn't talking to, told me she saw him walking up our drive that eve to one of his friends' house, and I told her... umm no, he passed by then.  Was his family cursed like they believed?  I doubt it.  But he certainly had a premonition about what was heading his way.  I personally believe his angels and God gave him that insight so he would spend those weeks at home with his family instead of running around etc.  You just never know, and I have no doubt that our minds can project anything we want it to, but our minds are no match for God and I believe that our spirits in these bodies are greater than these bodies.  I also think, that whatever brings us comfort when we are grieving, is NEVER a 'projection of silliness', it is always healing and good.

  • ish.....Yes, I am a practicing Christian, but I sure don't buy into the mythology of the Bible.  I think those stories TEACH us something about God and ourselves, but I don't approach religion by believing mythical, old stories. 

  • I spent 4 years as a Paranormal Researcher & Investigator when I was living in TX. I was a member of a very small but well-known group in the Dallas area.
    We conducted investigations for clients who claim they had paranormal activity in their homes/businesses. We approached every case in a scientic view, trying to determine the cause of the activity(electrical shortages, loose door hinges,etc) Channel WB33 actually did an interview with us- which I have a copy of and will upload and post the link in the next day or 2 for you guys to check out.

    I also have numerous cd's of our findings including EVP, & Photoshots- I'd love to share them with you all somehow.

    My response, being a professional investigator, is YES, absolutely. There is solid proof that sprits are present around us and do communicate with us in many ways. Most that don't believe, don't, because they have never experienced for themselves. I, personally, have seen with my own eyes, have been scratched, have photos, recordings, and plenty of experiences to fall back on my claim.


    My 1 advice- stay clear of Ouija boards. And if you happen to have a paranormal encounter, do not be afraid..spirits feed off of our energy. Rather, project a positive energy during an encounter.  ;)



  • My 1 advice- stay clear of Ouija boards.




    Yup!  And that advice should be extended to Ouija boards in slot machines too! 
    I used to play Rival's Future Fortunes slot (3 Ouija boards initiate the freespins) at Pantasia Casino quite often...until it sucked all my money!  lol


  • ish.....Yes, I am a practicing Christian, but I sure don't buy into the mythology of the Bible.  I think those stories TEACH us something about God and ourselves, but I don't approach religion by believing mythical, old stories. 




    ok...so...let me get this clear...You are a "practicing Christian," but you "sure don't buy into the mythology of the Bible" nor do you believe in its "old stories."..?.?.  I fail to comprehend how this can be.  You speak like a politician. lol

    The Bible is one big old mythical story.  If you dont believe in the contents and the stories that make up the Bible, then you don't believe in Christianity...and hence, you are not a "practicing Christian."  And to hear you describe yourself as a "deeply religious person" who is "praying for" such and such in various posts within this website only adds to this contradicting duality...and my newfound skepticism in your words.  To say that you practice Christianity, but you dont believe in the Bible is like saying you believe in Jesus Christ but you don't believe in that man on the cross and his story...Its kinda sorta like saying, 'I believe in science, but I dont believe in the scientific method' or 'I love math, but I hate numbers' or 'I love women, but I hate vaginas and tits.' 

    What are you and your pastor "practicing" in your Church if you don't have belief or faith in the Bible and the very stories from which you are preaching and "practicing" from?  Are you making up your own interpretations of the Bible's stories as you go along, at your convenience?...picking and choosing bits and pieces of what you think is relevant and calling it Christianity?  Do you plan to break off to form a new denomination, to add to the already 200+ separate Christian denominations that currently exist?  'A Church divided is no Church at all.'

    If you're wondering, I am not a religious person.  To me all religions and their doctrines, whether it be the Bible, Torah, Koran, whatever...is gibberish jargon gobbledegook written by insecure men to control the masses.  I believe in science and the scientific method...evolution not creation.  My country is Earth.  My brethren are all the inhabitants of Earth.  My religion is to do good.

    On that note, I'd like to stop myself as this is 'evolving' into a religious discussion.  And we don't want to go there,..do we?  lol

    Geez, all I wanted to do with this thread when I started it was to share my experience of seeing my grandfather's ghost (or 'mental projection' as some may call it) and ask if others here have had similar experiences.  Didn't mean for to it to get all religious and/ or conjure up horrible memories of death for some people.  Sorry if it did.  : )




  • I don't think you conjured up any horrible images of death, not for me.  I was referring to a spiritual perspective, as believing in the afterlife is usually very closely related to most religions.

    AC- can't wait to see that video.


  • The human brain can "project" all sorts of things.  It's 2010 folks, there is no such thing as ghosts.


    This is clearly a thought process from someone who has never experienced it. If it has not happened to you than you tend to believe that it's impossible.

    I am hear to tell you that it is alive and well in 2010 doc!! Life is not all what science can prove. We can not solely believe in what science tells us because there is so much that can not be proven but it's real.

    Does it defy the here and now and the realm we are in....yes it does. Not only are apparitions real so are premonitions and dreams of forthcoming things about to happen. I know this to be true because i have and do live it!

    Unfortunately people don't talk about it much because people think we are either lying or find some excuse for it.

    Thanks for this thread ishin and i for one hear ya.....loud and clear! Now as far as religion.....my oh my that is a delicate subject!

    Lips

  • ishin,

    I loved reading this post very informative. I love Doc and everyone is "free to be you and me", ever heard that?  I for one, know that you saw your Grandfather, I also know that it took alot of ENERGY (LOVE) from your grandfather, even to allow you to SEE HIM. It is ALOT of LOVE for spirits to do this. Thoughts are things, when you think of any spirit it is like a telephone call to them.  No need to convince anyone of anything ishin, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU KNOW!!!!


  • I am hear to tell you that it is alive and well in 2010 doc!! Life is not all what science can prove. We can not solely believe in what science tells us because there is so much that can not be proven but it's real.


    Lips


    Zactly!  Just like anything and everything, science is constantly in motion, changing and evolving...and comes with limitations.  Just because science is not able to prove or disprove something does not mean it doesn't exist.  For example, before the 1600's, before Galileo Galilei, scientists all believed our Earth was flat.  Science at that time was not able to prove the Earth was round. 


  • I love Doc and everyone is "free to be you and me", ever heard that? 


    I love doc too! He is the mental aphrodisiac! He stimulates the mind and loves to get us going!

    Lips


  • No need to convince anyone of anything ishin, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU KNOW!!!!



    Thanks lucky!  I wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything.  lol
    I was just sharing my experience.  My question of whether others here believe in ghosts was not intended to help me validate my own belief.  Like you said, I know what i know.  : )
  • It's a strange thing, to be frank. I, like many people, often don't admit to believe in something I cannot explain. However, I also feel the need to justify the presence of spirits/energies I sometimes feel nearby. Sometimes we just feel protected, but don't know by whom, and sometimes we (like ishin) see someone dear who passed away. And it's something we cannot explain and therefore often suppress. But I definitely think there are energies surrounding us, sometimes of people we were related to, who want to look after us and guide us on our way.


  • Unfortunately people don't talk about it much because people think we are either lying or find some excuse for it.
    Lips


    Thanks Lips for typing that, thats a confirmation on my part, been on both sides of bordering not beleiving and beleiving, though i have always had it in mind TO beleive it, i would get skeptical at some of the stories, now i don't doubt a thing.

    Ishin.. that was VERY powerful what you said, i agree with you on most of it.

    I do beleive that as my question about cavemen and them seeing them, today if we could hear and understand them speak, they would tell us about aparitions, spirits, ghosts, phenomenons.. whatever may be it. They are here and have been as long as we have existed.
  • i believe in ghosts ,bad spirits ,and kharma(do onto others as you will have them do unto you) shocked

  • ishin.....Hmmmm, why do I need to have some Southern Baptist view of the Bible to be a Christian?

    For example.  I don't believe the story of Jonah and the Big Fish is a literal historial event.  The idea of someone being swallowed by a fish for 3 days is nonsense.  BUT, the story does something beyond boring facts!  It teaches us a lot about God....and...ourselves.

    The Bible reveals, in part, God.  It does not tell us facts.

  • Ghosts!  To all you "I KNOW there is such thing as ghosts!" people:

    At one point in history, people believed (with equal passion):
    1.  The world was flat.
    2.  The Sun revolved around the earth.
    3.  Blood letting would cure the common cold.
    4.  Loch Ness Monster.
    5.  Similar nonsense.

  • Doc why r u slammin' all the southerners and baptists in here?  How can you make such matter-of-fact statements as if yours was the only true interpretation?  Boo!  Boo! on you!



  • ishin.....Hmmmm, why do I need to have some Southern Baptist view of the Bible to be a Christian?



    You don't.  Why are you asking me that?  No where did I mention anything about Southern Baptists. 

  • Ghosts!  To all you "I KNOW there is such thing as ghosts!" people:

    At one point in history, people believed (with equal passion):
    1.  The world was flat.
    2.  The Sun revolved around the earth.
    3.  Blood letting would cure the common cold.
    4.   Loch Ness Monster.
    5.  Similar nonsense.

    [/quote]

    And what are you trying to say with the above list.  You just throw out statements without anything else...I'm not even sure what you're trying to say or support with it.

    My earlier comment about the world being flat or round was to illustrate the fact that science at any given time has its limitations...just because science cannot prove something doesnt mean it doesn't exist...

    [quote author=lipstick_xoxos link=topic=13519.msg123785#msg123785 date=1283445412]

    I am hear to tell you that it is alive and well in 2010 doc!! Life is not all what science can prove. We can not solely believe in what science tells us because there is so much that can not be proven but it's real.


    Lips


    Zactly!  Just like anything and everything, science is constantly in motion, changing and evolving...and comes with limitations.  Just because science is not able to prove or disprove something does not mean it doesn't exist.  For example, before the 1600's, before Galileo Galilei, scientists all believed our Earth was flat.  Science at that time was not able to prove the Earth was round. 


  • I am not a religious person by any means.  But that doesn't mean I don't respect the beliefs and religions of others.
    If there is anything I might have said in this thread that offended anyone and their religion...please accept my apology.  I'm sorry.

  • ishin.....my friend, you have said nothing offensive!  You are a great conversationalist.  A bit of bantering is good!

  • Chilly......well, keep in mind, I am a southerner smiley

    The Souther Baptist Church offically believes the Bible is without error and the stories therein are factually true.  I am just pointing out there are Christians, me included, who don't share that way of thinking about faith or the Scriptures.  Though, our good Southern Baptist friends certainly are free to believe what they want and state my beliefs are hog-wash.




  • The Souther Baptist Church offically believes the Bible is without error and the stories therein are factually true.  I am just pointing out there are Christians, me included, who don't share that way of thinking about faith or the Scriptures.  Though, our good Southern Baptist friends certainly are free to believe what they want and state my beliefs are hog-wash.


    And so what are your beliefs?  Thus far you've only touched upon various aspects of Christianity that you don't believe in....You don't believe in the mythology of the Bible (which is basically the core of the Bible), you don't believe in it's 'old stories,' you don't believe in the things in the Bible that are not proven 'facts' (thats almost everything in the book), you don't believe in ghosts (I assume the Holy Ghost included), ..etc etc with your non-beliefs/ lack of faith...after all this...
    I am wondering...How is it you consider yourself a 'deeply religious Christian?'  When you pray, are you just going through the motions for the heck of it?  Cuz if anyone should know, its you, that theres no proven 'facts' that the Holy 'Ghost' is listening. 
  • ummmm......excuse me......In case I didn't tell you guys..YES, I believe in ghosts. Hope this is the right thread to post my reply  laugh_out_loud  tongue

  • ish....Let me first say, I appreciate our friendly back-and-forths. 

    I don't think I refered to myself as a "deeply religious Christian."

    To me, being a Christian is mostly about living like Jesus....being compassionate, kind, generous, justice for the poor, etc.  It really has nothing to do with conflict with some Devil or going to "heaven" when we die. 

    "Holy Ghost" is a King James-ism.  The Greek word that the King James Bible translates as ghost is "paracletus" which best translates as ADVOCATE.  There is nothing "ghostly" about the word.  Rather the year 1611 was a semi primative time when (you guessed it) people believed in ghosts in wide numbers; therefore, that was how paracletus was translated.  Because many church folks still think the King James is somehow the first, best translation of the Scriptures, the designation of "Holy Ghost" lingers.  You are an example of that.

  • acgofer....Darlin' you can believe in any thing you want.....I want to party in AC with YOU!  Woo!

  • Do i believe in God,i just don't know. Do I believe in ghosts, yes. Do I pray when things are so bad and say please God help me, Oh yes.

    But what have i seen.

    Okay my granddad was dieing of cancer and my granny,mum and aunt went back to England and Ireland for him to say goodbye to his family. Two days before they left mum asked me to help her with something, but I told her I was sick.Well she ranted for a while but as I was never normally sick she let it go.

    I was living in a flat with my baby of 11 months, and was going to stay at mums and dads for the 6 weeks while mum was gone, so I would be there to look after dad.
    But I just kept getting sicker and sicker, the pain in my stomach was so bad that one night I said to my boyfriend, I need to go to hospital, mind you I never went to the doctor much and had never been to hospital.While I was there, with a high pain fresh hold, I just laid there praying the pain would go, because i wasn't crying they said go home take some pain killers its just a VIRUS. Everything is just a ==== VIRUS now.

    Okay two days later I was helping a friend move house when I had a gurgling in my stomach. Just like you have when you drink heaps of water.That night the pain was back, boy it was even worse than being in labor. I was at home alone with my little girl and called a ambulance. Boy I just new there was something really wrong, but same thing from the hospital a VIRUS, I hate that word lol.

    The next night I'm at my dads cooking dinner, we talked for a wile and the pain was back, well what do you know, went to the hospital and again it was a ==== VIRUS.The next day me and my baby went home, I fed her and was cleaning the flat and the pain started, thank god my baby was in her cot as i passed out. When i woke up i couldn't stand so i crawled to the door passing in and out of consciousness four times on the way, how glad i was that it was a beautiful day and left the door open.  

    I called my neighbor and she called the doctor who told her to bring me there, I said no i need an ambulance now. I died three times on the way to hospital and two time on the operating table. With six bags of my blood in my stomach.The Doctor said I should of been dead, and it would take 12 days if not more for me to leave hospital. OH year! Four days later I was well and he even sent me to see another girl that had the same thing wrong with her. But they found it early and she had a small cut, only eight stitches, but mine was 53 stitches. Her operation was 10 days earlier and she wasn't out of bed.

    But I can't ever tell you in words what i saw when I did die,as there is just no words to explain it. But i know you will all see it someday. Was it God i don't know,all i can say is, it was something so great, so much love, so safe and so kind.

    How do I explain that I was asked if I wanted to stay in this beautiful place, AND OH YES I DID, but my beautiful baby was at home. Who would look after her, she needed me, so I new I needed to come back for her.
    Well as i was coming back the thing that happened was amazing, and how different I felt about every thing changed. My life had changed,as I had for the first time a beautiful feeling about death.

    Okay, so my mums in England and sleeping in a room with my aunt, and we worked it out later when she came home that about the same time my heart stopped beating for the longest out of five times, my mum sat up in bed grabbed here heart and said, 'oh my god Debbie'. That is me, my mother has 4 children, and is very close to all of us. So why did she cry out for me, mum said after that she had the worst feeling something was very wrong with me.


    If I was a writer and was great with my words I could explain it to you all so much better. Mum knew there was something wrong but dad didn't tell her till I could talk to her on the phone as we all new she would be back on the first plane home.

    So what about granddad with the cancer, he came home so sick and I helped most days to look after him. I was the only one that he would allow to give him his morphine, as he said he only trusted me lol WHY? I knew the day he was going to die so I went there very very early that morning and called the family his 5 daughters and 3 sons. But when I got there my granny was putting clothes on the line and I sat down in the lounge room very quietly.
    Fore the first time in days he spoke from his bedroom, and his word were 'Debbie can you please come here'. Oh boy was i shocked even scared.How did he know I was there.

    Well i called the whole family to come over as I knew it wouldn't be long. I didn't wont to see him go so I sat in the lounge looking out the window and I was seeing lots of people laughing, dancing and happy, not like I can see people (well alive people) but like they were close but far away at the same time. Two of them stood out so much more than the rest.
    It was a lady, a bit big wearing an apron over a  fancy dress. I thought what would she have an apron on for, the was also a skinny man with a gray suit on.Years later I saw a photo of my great grandparents and it was them, my granny told me that my great granny always wore an apron.

    Well as i was watching them, and I knew they were there for my granddad, at first i didn't want them to take him, and it was like they were holding back till i was ready to let him go. Mum told me that my granddad said to her, 'where is your mother?' (his Wife, my mothers mother) and my mum replied, 'sitting next to you'. He termed and looked to her and smiled, then looked up at the sky and said 'my mummy' the he smiled again and took his last breath.

    Now, after all this, everything I've been through and seen, and 23 years later I'm going to hospital to have quit a big operation. YET I"M SCARED SH==LESS. But WHY?



    Skyestar40

  • sky....I have no doubt your experienc was real to you. 

    I will be praying for you as you undergo your surgery....it sounds like you have the faith to get you through, even though it is hard and scary.


  • I am not a religious person by any means.  But that doesn't mean I don't respect the beliefs and religions of others.
    If there is anything I might have said in this thread that offended anyone and their religion...please accept my apology.  I'm sorry.


    Don't be sorry this is good debating! And as always at the end of the day we are all great friends. I love threads that lead into a bit of controversy.

    Lips

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