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        Hiya LCB'ers,

        Maybe i have been living in a cave but i was just recently asked if i saw the video Loose Change that is on youtube. Thinking it was about finding change in my couch cushion i soon learned it was far from it.

        I finally made my way over to youtube a couple weeks ago and decided to watch it. Over an hour in length i sighed a deep breath and half willing to watch it. After i got through the first 15 minutes or so i began to see just how compelling and disturbing it was.

        Never in a million years would my mind even go to what they are suggesting happened on 9/11. It raises questions and i must admit it has haunted me and taunted me ever since.

        I don't want to believe a word of it or should is say i refuse to. But some of the questions raised do make you stop and wonder.

        Has anyone heard or seen this video? I would love to hear comments on it. If you have not as much as it may seem to be just too long to have patience for i hope you can find the time to watch it.

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        I wouldn't go that far as to say that the government produced the attacks on 9/11 to justify war, that seems a bit too much. What I do know is that those attacks could have been prevented, there were warnings all over the place and it's still a mystery to me why the Bush administration didn't do something about it. Was it just out of pure stupidity or did they keep their eyes closed for a reason?
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        Hey Lips, isn't this something? Some sicko, trying to twist things around, so he can benefit from one of the biggest, (if not the biggest tradgedy) in American history. I only hope the victims relatives don't see this.
        This dude should be put on trial, just like the rest of the terrorist, from BinLadins group.
                                              Rico
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        ricorizzo wrote:

        Hey Lips, isn't this something? Some sicko, trying to twist things around, so he can benefit from one of the biggest, (if not the biggest tradgedy) in American history. I only hope the victims relatives don't see this.
        This dude should be put on trial, just like the rest of the terrorist, from BinLadins group.
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        It is certainly hard to imagine that our gov would of planned such a conspiracy. But basically all these guys did was raise questions and make us think. I can't really fault them for that.

        I try to see things with a very open mind and they had the right to raise these questions. It's just to painful to think it could possibly be true.

        But surely we must speculate that there are things the gov does hide from us, the American public and the world. It's not easy to rise to the top and be a Super Power. And once you are there, to maintain it has to get pretty ugly at times don't you think?
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        what an un-American political response! You ought to be ashamed of yourself!
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        ricorizzo wrote:

        what an un-American political response! You ought to be ashamed of yourself!
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        The only one who should be ashamed is you RIcco. And you should choose your words with more care.

        Just coz someone is asking questions doesnt make them anti American. Last time I checked USA was the land of the free, and everyone is entitle to their opinion.

        Lips is a LCB Moderator and youll either show her a deserved respect or your membership will be terminated.

        You are free to disagree but your personal attacks won't be allowed.

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        OMG Ricco~~~ >:( that was horrible remark and I can't agree with the point of view you are taking.
        The reason behind the creation of this country was the freedom of thought, speech and life; freedom.
        One cannot expect the fully trust the government; the age of innocence ended with WWII.
        Slowly, the government has been changing and becoming more corrupt.
        Corporations have slowly become more powerful and manipulative.
        Citizens have slowly become more aware and questioning the motives behind various events.
        If someone can see a point of view that other cannot; you should not attack them because you don't see or believe their point of view.
        If someone like Lips questions things because of something she saw, that is her right to do so.
        If you do not have similar questions, that is your right.
        To attack her personally because of her questions goes against the very reason behind the creation of this country.
        It is not "un-American political response" as you put it; it is very much an American response.
        Otherwise, we should all give up our rights entirely and not ask any questions.
        So, Rico, as Voltaire said "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
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        Hey buddy did you question your govt about your rights to gambling online? Thats what i thought. Nuff said.
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        ricorizzo wrote:

        what an un-American political response! You ought to be ashamed of yourself!
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        Lips Un-American?? Do you actually read her posts on this forum? Ya don't get any more patriotic than lips.
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        Well put Nan, and the Voltaire's quote said it all.

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        This dude should be put on trial, just like the rest of the terrorist, from BinLadins group.
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        I did some research and I found that Korey Rowe ( one of the producers of this documentary ) is an ex US solider who served in Afghanistan, Kuwait and Iraq. * for the reference see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korey_Rowe .

        So Rico is it fair to say he is a terrorist and compare him to a Bin Laden? Seems to me he is more likely a true American patriot than a terrorist.

        I understand the sensitivity of this topic to all Americans, as the 9/11 is one of the most infamous days in the modern history. But the day when Americans stop asking questions is the day when they lose their freedom.

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        Thanks for the kind words i really do appreciate them.

        I at times create these kind of threads that are controversial to add some good conversations and debates between us. There are moments i must admit i do hesitate due to the nature of the subject. Politics and religion can certainly get us fired up.

        I don't mind disagreeing and in fact it makes for good debating. I won't defend myself as far as the 'un American" comment rico because in essence i think you know perhaps more then anyone on this forum that it's not true. I think it goes well beyond politics for responding the way you did. I'll admit, it did sting a bit but not because of what you said but why you said it. I think we both know what that reason is.

        I hope we can all continue to have good times and share our opinions. Thats what is so great about the LCB family. I think Rena put it well in her post about how respectful everyone is on such controversial topics. I couldn't agree more, that's what sets this forum apart from the rest!

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        oh boy, we're in it now! Zuga, may I suggest you do a bit more research on this Korey Rowe. I havn't. When one takes  the oath, to become a member of our military, (as I have), one agrees to not say anything againist their country, as this person is doing, and the negative propaganda thats included in this sad chapter of American history.
        If you want to throw me out of this forum, you have that right too, but then you are violateing free speech.
        I'm sure if you reseached more, there will be many issues with this Korey Rowe, that would be considered un-American, politicaly incorrect, etc.
        Lips, I don't have anything againist you, but your timing and thought on this issue is wrong, If the LCB members agree with you on this issue, this would be a forum, I choose not to take part in.

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        Hmmmm interesting comments rico. Don't really understand what you think my stand is on this issue. Maybe you read into it more than it really is.

        As far as free speech you got it here at the forum. And you and i both know you have had your fair share of less then nice free speech here don't we?

        Free speech is one thing, lack of respect is entirely another. We are different then some other forums that everyone here is treated with respect. It's not allowed to be anything less, whether it is a member or a moderator. LCB is built upon a strong family community where we all agree to disagree.

        In order to have free speech there has to be an atmosphere where members are not afraid to take a stand on their view points. I love to debate but at the same time i don't want to instill fear in anyone being belittled for speaking there mind therefore a certain amount of order needs to be implemented to allow free speech. 

        Imagine fighting and putting each other down because we don' agree with them. Members would be afraid to comment.

        I agree with you whole heartedly rico if this is not the type of forum you don't agree with then by all means don't take part in it.

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        ricorizzo wrote:

        If you want to throw me out of this forum, you have that right too, but then you are violateing free speech.


        I will "throw you out" if I see any more personal attacks from your part. If you cant show the respect to the ppl behind this forum then your stay is no longer welcome.

        And you are the one who abused the freedom of speech with your personal attacks. Freedom of speech is everyone's right but its also a responsibility, therefor you are free to say what ever you want , however you will be held accountable for your words.

        While you are here you WILL obey the forum rules and be respectful toward my Moderators. Other than that you are free to share your views on this sensitive subject.


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        I don't want to believe a word of it or should is say i refuse to.



        Lips has basically made her opinion clear. The video is public and she was looking for some discussion on the content. No where in her words has she advocated the suggestions made within it.

        That said, I'm simply not following what the issue is here. Simply stating that you don't agree and the thoughts expressed in the video are far fetched would've been sufficient.

        If someone wishes to comment on the topic and not the character or core values of one another, please do.

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