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Illinois is passing a new law that allows police officers to stop any driver that they feel looks "suspicious" and ask them for papers to show they are here legally. I am not sure how i feel about this.
In one respect i think it can lead to police brutality. To judge someone primarily on their looks seems racist in itself. On the other hand if there is just cause for suspicion without this law there is not much a police officer can do.
I am not certain i like the idea. What is your views on this and does your state allow this?
- I think it is somewhat of an invasion whether they are legal or not we are still USA land of the free and oportunity.
But if you have broke the law and have come her illegally then i see they do have a right but not by "suspicious looks", a person dressed in complete lawyer or doctor attire can be a lawbreaker, but he would get away... why? They aren't looking for that.. they are looking for what exactly, what is suspicious looks?.. Yes it is racial and profiling, i'd be insulted if i got pulled over for the color of my skin or the clothes i was wearing, or maybe im riding with alot of family members.
"Sorry you look suspicious like you don't belong in this country, that sombrero... ma'am can i see your papers?"
I'd like to know what they consider as suspicious looks, or what looks suspicious as far as them being able to ask for papers.
- AZ recently passed a law that has started quite an uproar. The AZ law does not allow law enforcement to pull someone over because they look like they could be illegal. What it does require is that you have valid, government issued ID. Law enforcement can only ask for the legal ID if you have been legally stopped for something else such as speeding, running a red light, trespassing, etc.
I have always carried a valid license since I always thought it was a law to carry a license while driving. My kids have always had an ID if they didn't have a license because they needed it for various things like getting in a movie, or discounted tickets.
California has been a very strong vocal opponent of the AZ law threatening various boycotts/sanctions but if anyone looks, they would find that Ca has had a similar law in effect for several years.
AZ has been begging the Feds for border control help for many years with no result. This law is what has happened after many years of the Feds failing to assist with the problem. Many people that would ordinarily never support such a law are supporting it now because of the lack of federal action and the many many violent crimes including murder, kidnapping, smugglers carjacking each other on freeways in the middle of the city during high speed chases in order to "steal" the immigrants from each other which they then hold for ransom, resulting from the illegal immigration problem.
Additional racial Profiling may or may not result from the law - law enforcement officials are being trained to prevent this, but it will occur - most likely from those officers who are already guilty of profiling including some very high placed officials.
- i have been pulled over many times some at gun point made to take off shirt socks shoes right on the spot as im hand cuffed made to sit on the curb after 1 or 2 hours my car completly tore up let go with out a ticket or explanation why.
profiling is wrong this is also has happen to me walking its wrong the fact is that no matter what law is or is not passed it will continue to happen i live in southern calif its the way thing are one here
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- at May 25, 2010, 05:03:39
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- at May 25, 2010, 05:14:16
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It's definitely discrimination on some level that's for sure. I can "look suspicious" when I walk through customs but only because I am made to feel guilty even though I am not. I blush and get very nervous and for no reason either. The same applies when coppers drive in front, behind or past me. I feel guilty and yet I am not - and I probably look it too. There is no just cause to stop me either just because I "may" look suspicious.
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- at May 25, 2010, 09:55:10
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It is totally outrageous and very very wrong.
- Hi Blue,
You remind me of my best friend. She also gets nervous and turns red! In January she went through customs in London and was randomly pulled out of the line to be questioned. She was there on vaca to spend time with her boyfriend in Plymouth.
Security grilled her for 15 minutes and the more questions they asked the more uncomfortable she became! She said that because of that, its why they grilled her even more.
She was asked everything from .....where did you meet him....how do you know him...the repercussions if she stays and does not leave....to what kind of job does he have!!
She said that by the time she got out of the airport she was a wreck! It is a world wide epidemic and i suppose we can thank 911 for that.
I was pulled out of the line once as i was boarding the plane to Vegas. I was padded down and searched. It is very embarrassing, as i finally did board the plane i had people look at me up and down like i was a criminal!
- Oh my Lips - I really feel for your friend and for you. I can understand how awful it must have been for both of you. How embarrassing too and yet neither of you had done anything wrong. It's strange how they manage to pick on the wrong person consistently.
I have to say, it puts me off going anywhere abroad. The last time I went to Spain and the British side of customs/passport control was absolutely awful. They even xray your shoes now. Dreadful.
I can see this new law in Illinois creating many problems and I have no doubt in my mind that somebody will lose a life because of it and not because they were guilty in any way.
- I had a problem once on a vacation with friends, we had driven to Mexico, you're fine driving into Mexico from the USA, but on the way out you are stopped at the border. The family i was with were white my skin being somewhat tanned and my hair being dark in color they thought this family was smuggling me from Mexico. I did not have an ID nor my birth certifcate with me, i was only 13 years old. They family and myself were scared to death, after about 30 minutes of questions of answering "whats my parents name?" "where was i born?" "the capitol of the USA" "what schools did i attend?" and alot of other questions we finally were able to go across. I had complete proper english and no knowledge of Mexico other then what we visited with that it wasn't easy convincing them.
Pull 'em over and ask for ID...no problem!
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- at May 26, 2010, 00:37:22
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I signed up for a free Chik-fil-A sandwich online and was told I might have to show an ID when I pick it up. (Making sure people aren't getting more than one.) Now, if Chik-Fil-A can ask for an ID, why can't the police looking for crinimals?
The fact is the Illegals have turned the border towns along the USA-Mexico line into a Hell Hole. Lock 'em up. Send them back.
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- at May 26, 2010, 03:51:21
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I think your missing the whole point here. Police are allowed to randomly pull over people simply based on their looks. Its not to confirm a chicken sandwich order. In my opinion that is pure BS and breeds police brutality and racism. The only true Americans in this country are the American Indians who got the shaft.
The US is based off of nothing but immigrants. We are all descendants of another country. Our ancestors came to America for one reason, a better life. Why some cultures that live here seem to think they have more rights then others is beyond me.
Quite frankly to say that Mexicans have turned the borders into hell holes is VERY racist! You have obviously not lived in Mexico nor know the conditions for which many of them live. The conditions for many is beyond the poverty level. They come to the US to survive. Some have risked their lives and died to get across the borders just to make money to feed their families. Then only to be shipped back to Mexico by immigration where they lose everything they worked so hard for.
Mexicans are a gentle culture who believe in the institution of family. They do the jobs that many would never dream of doing at minimum wage. They are not afraid of hard work, or getting dirty. I live in Chicago where there is a heavy population of Mexicans. And it is far from a hell hole.
We could learn a lot from them........
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