Romney or Obama?

Another batch of national surveys were made public this week but the results were quite puzzling, ranging from a 13-percentage point lead for President Barack Obama to a 5-point advantage for his Republican challenger, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

Huffington Post made an average of all those polls and the result is that Obama still holds a narrow advantage in the national polls, just under 1 percentage point.

So I'm asking all the American LCBers and not only, which candidate will win and which one will you vote for?

many polls target registered voters,  not "LIKELY" voters.  The few polls that  target "likely" voters give a much more accurate vision of what will happen in Nov. elections.......it is going to be a complete trainwreck for the current administration as all the voters who flocked to the polls for "hope and change" will not vote this time around due to the "lies and excuses" that have produced absolutely no positive change or steps forward for the country. this election will be a sweep for republicans across the board.

i know the question is who will be likely to win,at this point i just want someone in who can change things for the better

I support Obama all the way.....He is just getting started on improvements...There is quite a bit I would imagine, that we don't know about that goes on "secretly" that is priority.....But I have always believed that Democrats are move for the under dog than the Republicans....Now I have voiced my opinion and I won't say no more about it...I think political views only start arguments.....

I know what you mean rena,part of the problem is no matter who is president they usually have their hands full with Congress and the House of Reps. voting against everything they try to pass.

Romney voted against the auto bail-out and he's from Michigan and if that hadn't happened...the bail-out, my hubby would be out of a job.He seems to be more for the rich...his millionaire buddies than for the average Joe. The 1% scare me to tell you the truth!

I'd vote for Obama because I think he is trying and seems more down to earth to me.

I have to agree with homeandhap about not talking politics because it only causes arguments. IMHO this election seems to be a matter of picking the lesser of two evils...

I think I will fall back on my old plan... Don't vote because it only encourages them! 

katt

I happen to abstain myself as i see politicals as criminal to begin with by influencing government with an agreement of policies.heck in my opinion government is merely suggesting their law upon us and the only functions of sustenance we need to answer to is state territorial function.

homeandhap.....Please tell what successful thing Obama has done?

I cannot wait to get Obama out of office and while I am not in favor of some of Romney's policies, I will vote for him because the current administration is taking our country down a very dark path of which we may never recover from.  Quite frankly, our entire political system needs a complete overhaul but that will never happen!

Well, after having caught the tail end of Nixon, I then looked at Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr. Clinton and Bush Jr. With ALL of them, they knew they had to "Give some to get some" Nobody got everything they wanted, but they got what they liked. But they ALL worked with the House and Senate and came together and got the job done.

With Obama, it was a "Take or leave it" attitude and that is what has held him back from greatness.

that is sort of what i was thinking.....what is the thing?  is there one??

I know a fair bit about politics, and being from the uk, i would say i actually would like to see obama do his second term in office, as i feel he is and has been a good president overall, yes he had his bad moments, but he has accomplished some good things for america soo far in my eyes

i wont go in any more detail because i do also agree with 2 other members who said politics can cause arguments , so i will just say, lets see what happens come the election

EDIT:

Actually i wont answer what i think obamas *good* things he has done are, because like i said, lets keep politics out of discussion for sake of arguments

LuckyRJ

Please note:  This thread mimics real life.  If you ask an "Obama" supporter what great thing(s) he has done, you really get no answers.  Or...you might get some nebulous answer about it being "Bush's fault." 

you are right on mark,its always going to be differences in opinion and i myself think politics for some reason will lead to the biggest arguments in the world.This is one HOT topic but like i posted earlier, i just want things to get better

this is not an answer based on fact, it is based on fantasy.  please give examples...or if you cant)  and living abroad,  how would you know anything that is going on in the states???

and in all honesty,  this is my country  i want to argue over it when i hear others talking about things that are not based on facts but purely "talking point" fiction.  i want to hear the facts!

I said my last statement, and this is exactly what i knew would happen, lets drop it, im not replying to this thread again

keep politics out of it, like i said and others said, it is a hot hot topic and causes arguments, and obviously there will always be someone who wants to push the subject matter, o well,

LuckyRJ

and when there are no facts.....this is EXACTLY what you hear...go figure.....

Katt, I don't care who you vote for, but in not voting you are effectively slapping those who died to give us the freedoms we enjoy. They gave everything so we could live in a free society.

Plus, it's not just the "Big Vote" it's the little ones, bond measures, small city elections. Mayors, Govenors, all the way down to the Sheriff....If you won't vote for either party, then write in your choice. But please vote.

I agree with Geneco, I have always voted. When I didn't like any of the candidates I went and turned in a blank vote, which is the only way of showing your opinion in that case.

I have just found the Candidate Match application on the USA Today website, has any of you tried it?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/candidate-match-game

It turns out I agree with Obama on 9 of those 14 issues, but since I'm not in America that might not be entirely relevant.

Johnny, I had not seen that poll and am glad you posted it here. It is quite interesting. For me (if you remember I said above it is a choice of the lesser of two evils) when I did the Agree/Disagree part of the test it came out 50%/50% exactly. When I did the slider adjustment regarding the importance of each of the issues listed it again ended up at 50%/50% exacty.

So, I have to stick with the idea of it being a choice of the lesser of two evils. Which in the end I would have to say Romney is on top because Obama has said these are the things he believes, but has done very little to back those words. And I don't trust his motives. I think they are hidden and far from what comes out of his mouth.

katt

Wow katt,I think we finally disagree on something!!

I don't trust Romney,he's only for the rich and I think if he is elected we are in deep trouble.. unless of course you are one of his millionaire buddies!

 I think Obama deserves a second term.He didn't create this mess,he inherited it and i don't just mean from Bush either...maybe both Bushes!!

Rosebud, who do you think is backing Obama? Soros, Gates,  Marc Benioff,  Marc Lasry,  Penny Pritzker. They are all billionaires too. Plus over half of Hollywood too....You want dinner with either candidate? Start at $35K and "Maybe" you'll get a seat. It's a sad testament that you'll need 100,000 people complaining to the govt before action is taken, unless you're a rich supporter of either side in which they'll drop  everything to make you happy.

History in the making

to inherit something is one thing....to make things worse and continue to play the blame game get old really fast....especially after a couple years on the job.  as a company owner, we get to follow up after previous contractors who did a crappy job....we are expected to fix the problems and make things right,,,immediately....this is how you fix problems........if i dont fix the problems i would get fired just like the previous guy,.....which is what is going to happen to Mr. Obama....he just keeps talking about the problems and hasnt fixed any, just made them all much worse

Yes,I know genenco but who is backing Romney?Unforunately it does take millions to run for office.It doesn't matter if you are a Democrat or a Republican!!

And that's the sad thing. Why this position requires so much money to win, when the results won't really help the small wage earner only the big money people.

Exactly genenco!!

I like ice cream.

You're right Johnny! But, rosebud, I lovingly agree to disagree with you on this point.    In the end they are all politicians with their own agendas that have nothing to do with We The People...

I can't back Obama not because he has done nothing that he promised, but because I believe he has done exactly what he planned to do to further his own goals. And I think that those goals are and always have been to destroy what exists and rebuild it to his own specifications. And those goals do not allow him to care how many are hurt in the process.

katt

well said Katt,  bill ayers and the mighty jerimiah wright couldnt have verified that the Pres was in it for his own reasons...the chickens will come home to roost in NOV!

I can't imagine that election for US will be on November. I feel that Obama will still be in the position....

The truth is what the mainstream media use to provide(atleast we though they were being unbiased and giving us the true facts). But now we really cannot rely on any news source to be giving us the unbiased facts.

Therefore it is up to each voter to research the topics for themselves by going to government sites that provide real-time information, reviewing floor debate and then checking the facts on what the representatives are saying to determine whether their statements or true or not.

When it comes to the Campaign finance issue and Citizens United Supreme Court ruling, the absolute truth is that their ruling was based on part on the fact that Unions, especially Public Unions were not barred or limited by Federal Law on financing any given Candidate or buying airtime. Therefore they believed that Corporations could not be banned under Federal Law as if Unions were considered people then Corporations must also be considered people/individuals.

I agree with that ruling. But, because the Supreme Court has ruled in the past that the Federal Government cannot limit the amount of money spent on any given Candidates Campaign under the Constitution as it would be limiting speech the only real solution to the Campaign financing problem that is silencing the voice of the voters is to amend the Constitution and put a limit on the total amount of money that  can be spent on any Candidates behalf and by the Candidate themselves.  This would level the playing field and would allow those that are not inheritently wealthy to have a chance in any given Election.  I also believe the amendment should bar any form of advertisement that is not supporting a Candidate but is against a Candidate. Also, each Candidate regardless of any rule or regulation that attempts to qualify them or disqualify them from a public debate; should be able to participate in all Debates that will be on Public Networks.
As far as Campaign spending "buying" any election; that only happens if the Voters rely on these ads when it comes to casting their vote.  If any Voter actually relys on these Ads they are totally out of touch with reality, as we should all know by now that no matter whether a Democrat or Republican Ad, the Ad is more likely to include half-truths, statements taken out of context ad of coarse are an attempt to discredit the opponent.
What else would we expect from any Political Ad?  They are either attempting to promote their Candidate by making claims that may or may not be entirely true if true at all or they are attempting to discredit their opponent by making statements against the opponent that may or may not be true.

They are wasting their money on ads when it comes to me as I don't even listen to them and if I did I wouldn't believe anything they say.

Whoops.  As far as Romney Vs. Obama; neither would be my choice. But since it is likely they will be the only choices I have; I will go with Romney,  why, because Obama knows nothing about Health Care, running a small business.  He also was backed by the Socialist and Communist Parties of American and has been members of both(and the majority of the Democrats in Congress are still members of the Socialist Party of America and have been for years).
Even my friends and family that voted for Obama, some voting Democrat for the first time; now regret doing so.  Why, because he made the divisions in Congress much worse, has spent more/wasting much of it than even Bush did during his entire Presidency(minus the cost of the wars). He failed to close Gitmo, he failed to get us out of the wars, went into Syria without Congresses approval(something he critisized Bush for doing), wasted two years passing a poorly written Health Reform Bill and virtually shut out Republicans from debating and  giving imput on the Bill and ignoring Voters which ended in the first Tea Party Protests which he also ignored.
I didn't vote for him but still had a sence of pride that we finally elected a person of the minority as our President and I wanted so badly to believe he just might change things as he promised, especially since he was suppose to be a Constitutional Scholar. Now I see him using his expertise on the Constitution as a means to ignore it and use the loopholes he  might believe exist and twist the meaning of the words in a way he believes will be seen as Constitutional by the higher Courts.

Shame on him.

Republicans won the Congress and many Governorships in 2010 because many of us saw it as a way to STOP the Democrats spending and socialist agenda.  That has been accomplished.  Now this election needs to finish the job of electing those that will stop wasting our money and put the money to good use. By that I mean training people for the jobs that exist today, giving tax relief and regulation relief to small businesses that are the ones hiring new workers. I could go on for too long.  I hope I made my point on why I will vote straight Republican ticket when I am actually a Centrist/Libertarian/Moderate.

I suggest you do NOT discuss flavors. That could cause a massive avalance of posts decrying someone choice of flavors, topping and ingredients. Thus putting each of us at each others throats and ending in the system crashing and us losing a fine place where we can discuss things in a rational fashion. 

By the way genenco, I just missed this post and am sorry for not responding. I do vote, especially on the actual issues. But I have in the past skipped the "Big Question" at the top of the ballot on occasion.

This election I won't be skipping that question. I will vote for Romney even if it is just to vote against Obama. I am seriously afraid for this country under his "leadership."

Some have a big heartache over Romney because he is a Mormon. That in my humble opinion is not a bad thing. The Mormon Church is the wealthiest church in the world because of good business practices, the inclusion of the entire church membership in governing and accomplishing the goals of the church.

They teach independence, self-sufficiency, and preparation for what may lie ahead. They have their own "welfare system" that actually works. They will help, but they expect work and effort in return or the person or family get no more help. The help is there until the efforts of the recipient have taken root and enabled them to pull themselves out of whatever caused the need in the first place.

And any of those things would help this country immensely to regain its footing in today's world. And restore a sense of pride and value in a sorely worn down population.

I am an independent voter, not allied with either the Democrats or the Republicans. I do not follow "the party line" like a sheep and I vote my conscience. And will always do so.

And in closing I am not afraid to state that the best ice cream flavor is Tin Roof Sundae!  I know, I know, I am just such a radical!

katt