Sexual Acts Conducted in Classroom to Let Go of Your Inhibitions??
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Northwestern University in Chicago is a highly respected college. But they have come under a shroud of controversy for a Human Sexuality class. Professor Baily held a special after class presentation "Networking for Kinky People"
In his class there was a live sex act performed between a man and a woman! Here is what the Professor had to say for offering such a class:
"The demonstration, which included a woman who enjoyed providing a sexually explicit demonstration using a machine, surely counts as kinky, and hence, as relevant. Furthermore, earlier that day in my lecture I had talked about the attempts to silence sex research, and how this largely reflected sex negativity ... I did not wish, and I do not wish, to surrender to sex negativity and fear."
Needless to say this has put many people up in arms over this. Most people said that sex is a private experience and this was a indecent class and nothing more than pornography. A small majority said that this class was optional and students should be allowed to make their own choices.
Do you think that Professor Baily was unleashing inhibitions of students and this class was appropriate in surrendering the negativity and fear? Or is he a whack job that is using this as a tool for his kinky ways?
- It's definitely out of the ordinary and I don't really know what to make of it. Did students know the "curriculum" when they enrolled in the course? If they did I'm sure they probably didn't intend to toss their inhibitions aside but instead wanted to watch a live show.
"Networking for Kinky People"? Let's call it what it is, "Start Small, Break Into The Porn Industry in a Classroom".
- great topic, guess the mind doc, hasn't seen this thread yet. Ah, he's in A.C. anyway. As long as the students we're aware of what was going to take place in the classroom, the prof. didn't do anything wrong.
As stated, are individuals only advanceing their "kinkiness" , sure that applies to a few students. However, if there is a young couple, male or female, that believe they have a problem when it comes to sex, and if the class is taught properly, doesn't one want to believe they'll be able to over-come their issues, and have a happier sex life, down the road? I'm day-dreaming a bit now, but what if a male and female meet, go out over a period of time, fall head over heels with each other, and when it comes to the bedroom one says, well I don't do that. The problems associated with that, well I'm not going to start. But could a healthy sex-ed class, as an adult, avoided that? Possibly!
Myself growing up, being from the 60's-70's, we went to the bedroom first, tried that out for compatability, and then worked on the rest of the issues.
I assume, and thats all it is, not having kids, that the bedroom thing, only got looser, as time went by. It sure does save a major headache, down the road, to have that issue, behind a couple. Yes, I've been down this road.
- "academic freedom" - not much is taboo in a lot of colleges as to curriculum. I took a class taught by the French department, even though I didn't speak any french, it was a senior level course that needed another warm body to make the class. We read "The Story of O" among other things. All kinds of pornographic French novels. That was the first time I heard about all kinds of stuff, from b*tt plugs to wiping your b*tt with a goose (they had no toilet paper back in the day...) It was "Sex and Violence in French Literature"... we also had to read "The One Hundred and Twenty Days of Sodom and Other Writings" where I got another eye-full. But, alas, no live demonstations, only discussions.
- I guess the real question here is if this professor was really being on the up and up is are we too sexually negative and fearful.
That is a loaded question and food for thought. But are we really being negative to keep our intimacy private? I once had a lengthy debate about this topic. We live in a world that dates way back that intimacy is a very private thing. But if it is a natural act and desire then why is it taboo in most circles to even discuss.
I am just playing devils advocate here and i for one am very private. But could this professor be on to something here and try to break the negative connotations that sex often has?
- Well, we do seem to be the only animals who have so many inhibitions in the sexual arena.
I found out from Manswers on Spike tv that chimpanzees have prostitution! Instead of 1 1/2 times per hour of having sex, if the male offers food to the female, she'll put out 3 1/2 times an hour. didn't learn that one in college.
- Isn't this interesting. Lips, Chilly if I'm hearing you right, you believe sex is still in the closet, is that true? Since the 60's n 70's, I believe it's come way out of the closet, as in brakeing down the closet door!
Agreed before that time, I would say yes, it was a difficult topic to discuss, anywhere, be it with your priest, or even a close friend. Now, well maybe you two don't get out that much, ( I'm jokeing) but sex is quite a public topic, and has been for awhile,. Look at TV. Ricky an Lucy use to have to sleep in seperate twin beds. Now two strangers lock up in a bedroom, and theres no imagination left, cause you see what's going on. Anyway, just my opinion, right. Be good you two,, I know I'm trying.
- Hi Rico,
Agreed we have come a long way since the dawn of the age of Aquarius. But what i'm talking about is what this professor did in his class room with live sex. We may have come far as a society but for most we are not quite ready for this.
And in many ways it proves this professor's theory that sex is considered negative and fearful. Everyones first reaction to this was it is PORN! It is nasty, dirty and filthy!
It is one of two things here either this professor is on to something or somewhere a line has to be drawn when it comes to this type of open display.
OK, let's back up to your first post, and my first reply. I'm sticking by my first reply, for now, lol. So let's pick your post apart, a bit. I havn't had a chance to view this prof. Baily. ( wonder if he might be on YOUTUBE?) Anyway, we might be able to get an idea, if he is a wack job, by listening to him. See how he presents himself. You know clean cut, suit an tie, vs. long haired, jeans, has a joint hangin out of the side of his mouth.
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You stated, this was an after class presentation, with a name, 'Networking for kinky people". Also stated, is his desire to remove fear and negativity towards peoples way of thinking, in regards to sex. to continue, the class had a man an woman having sex, and a women useing a machine. Which the professor claims is kinky. Myself, I don't. A machine (sex machine) is only an upscale model of a vibrator, which are all over the place. nothing unusual there. The same with the act of sex itself, nothing unusual there, everyone appeared to consent.
After reading it again, a time or two, the professor might have taken a couple of steps backward. Anyway, finishing, everyone was an adult, it's college, they we're told what was going to happen, I would enjoy being able to view prof. Baily somehow, like an interview, or small lecture. Get a better idea, of where he is coming from.
- I soooo enjoy your open minded debate ethics rico!! Bravo to you and i will see if can find some more info on this dude!
But see you opened a whole new can of worms here. You are suggesting if he wears jeans and has long hair then we can't trust his integrity. Thats a whole new debate!!
p.s and if he does have a joint hanging out of his mouth who is to say he doesn't have glaucoma
- Here he is...............
And here is what he had to say in the aftermath.........
J. Michael Bailey, the Northwestern University professor at the center of recent controversy over a live sex act in his classroom, apologized Saturday for allowing the demonstration to occur.
“I apologize,” he writes. “As I have noted elsewhere, the demonstration was unplanned and occurred because I made a quick decision to allow it. I should not have done so.”
He said he was surprised by the public outcry over the after-class incident in the Ryan Family Auditorium, where a man used a high-powered sex toy on his girlfriend in front of 100 students.
“During a time of financial crisis, war, and global warming, this story has been a top news story for more than two days,” Bailey wrote in his statement. “That this is so reveals a stark difference of opinion between people like me, who see absolutely no harm in what happened, and those who believe that it was profoundly wrong.”
His statement comes two days after Northwestern’s president, Morton Schapiro, said he was launching an investigation into the after-class live sex demo, saying he was disturbed, troubled and disappointed. Many alumni and parents have also let the university know they were unhappy about the act.
Bailey said that while he regretted allowing the Feb. 21 sex toy demonstration he also does not believe those who were offended made a good case for why the act should not have been allowed.
“Those who believe that there was, in fact, a serious problem have had considerable opportunity to explain why: in the numerous media stories on the controversy, or in their various correspondences with me,” the statement reads. “But they have failed to do so. Saying that the demonstration ‘crossed the line,’ went too far,’ ‘was inappropriate,’ or ‘was troubling’ convey disapproval but do not illuminate reasoning.”
He adds that if he was grading the arguments against allowing a man to use a custom high-powered sex toy to bring his naked girlfriend to orgasm before 100 students, “most would earn an ‘F.’”
“Offense and anger are not arguments,” he wrote. “But I remain open to hearing and reading good arguments.”
Nearly 600 students registered for Bailey’s popular “Human Sexuality” course this quarter. About 100 attended the after-class, optional, non-graded seminar on kink and fetish. Four members of Chicago’s fetish community spoke about their lifestyle and two, Jim Marcus and Faith Kroll, volunteered to prove the veracity of some controversial elements of female orgasm. Bailey hesitated, than agreed, and Kroll stripped down on stage and allowed Marcus to penetrate her with the custom made power saw with a phallus in place of a blade.
Bailey described student feedback as positive, and many students on campus also said they didn’t think the display was in poor taste.
Bailey said in Saturday’s statement that he is working with undergraduate students to set up a “high-level discussion and debate” about the demonstration.
“There are real, important issues here, including optimal limits on academic freedom, the effect of sexual attitudes on education, and sexual rights and responsibilities, among others,” he wrote. “A great university, such as Northwestern University, should be a place where people are not only free, but encouraged, to debate our most contentious issues.”
Courtesy of the Chicago Sun-Times
So do you believe his intentions are way ahead of what society is ready for or is he a whack job?
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