What One Man Does to Avoid Work......

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        Hiya Guys and Dolls,

        While most people desperately seek work there is a man who did everything in his power not to have to work.

        So much so that when the unemployment officials were about to decide whether the man was fit to work he decided to take matters in his own hands....literally.

        Hans Url from Austria waited until his wife and son left the house and took an electric saw and severed his foot up to the ankle completely off. And to ensure that it could not be reattached threw it in a d stove!

        He finally had to call an ambulance because he was bleeding to death. Hospital Officials were able to retrieve the foot but were unable to reattach it. He is now in stable condition and was transferred to a psychiatric ward.

        He has been out of work since 2003 and suffers from depression.

        Do you think he should continue to get benefits? Although he created himself the physical handicap to avoid work his mental stability is way off.

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        Or he will get benefits, or he will stay in the psychiatric ward, either way, somebody else has to pay for him..........
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        He certainly needs psychiatric help, and this happens when people avoid to ask for help thinking there's no other way out. I'm wondering if he has a family or friends, someone who could have noticed that things were not right. 

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        Reminds me of the guy who hurt himself badly and work and fearing a slow death, he then fired several nails into his head with a nail gun thinking he'd end it quickly. He survived it all though....
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          How very extreme and how very sad.  Johan is right - either way tax payers will pay for him be it for benefits or a psychiatric ward.

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          It's so sad that he thought this was an answer, an alternative to not facing the frustration of finding suitable work. If he's depressed now he just quadupled his depression when he realizes exactly what he did and has to finish life without a foot that god blessed him with and the fact he did it himself. Another thing, being without a foot is not so much a disablity from employment, plenty of jobs that are sit down. Now to add to it he has hospital bills galore, a long process of rehablitation, no unemployment, a more limited type of job he'll be qualified for, i don't know if disablity pays for purposely injuring yourself. Not to be funny or mean, but they should of just shoved that foot right up his butt, that was very stupid what he did. Theres so much out there to reach out to, his wife forone maybe she could of recognized something and sought help.
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          Taxpayers pay for benefits ? Seems to me this guy was definately ill and is quite due his share from his contribution to the workforce. This guy obviously is entitled to some aid , taxpayers or not. In much of this area medical disability cases generally are awarded in the millions such is like a Social Security program that individuals found utterly useless any longer are insured and therefore have vast sums in their individual accounts. heh .. in USA those accounts tend to be raided by the current administration's tapping into by oversight spending plans, ie. distributing the individuals insured wealth to the underprivleged who have never worked nor paid any tax whatsoever.
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          ok, this is a sad case,

          i need to say this long statement,

          this may cause a lot of different views but thats the way people and life is, everyone is entitled to thier own oppinions

          Here it goes,

          Basically i have had mental health issues since i was a child, i was always in and out of hospital basically every week, and when i was 15 i was then put into a in patient ward for 4 months then was an outpatient for about 2 or 3 months and when all that was over i was then 16 and nearly 17 so i decided enough was enough i will get on a training course which i did to proof to my parents i can be independant.

          so i did this for a year until i was 18 and then i had to goto a meeting because they wanted to know if i wanted to be passed to adult servies and i closed my case ( a decission i truely regret) because that decission made me basically lonely and stuck to get help, if my case was still open i would be probly in a much much better situation i am in now, and benefits are not what i want to be on

          i want to work,

          i had jobs when i was 17 to 21 on and off i had about 6 different jobs, but i could not keep them due to my mental health issues and anxiety, i was younger then so i didnt know i was suffering with anxiety i just thought not being able to sleep was just the part of working, but it wasnt until later on when i was more mature and read things on the internet that i realized i have anxiety and all my other things i was diagnosed with, so this was just a brief explanation so you understand.

          and now to the present day, benefits I HATE THEM, i want to work soo badly, but it is my anxiety that is stopping me, cos one bad night i have messes my whole sleep pattern up and it would mean doing 2 or 3 work shifts without sleep if i did work, so it is not that i dont want to work, it is the fact i cant work because it affects my health, and you know the worst thing about all this is when you apply for benefits, they dont take into account if u suffer from mental health issues OR ANXIETY, and i find this totally outragious, they should take them into account at all costs, because how do they expect a person suffering with anxiety to live a normal work life, it is basically imposible, i also got a doctors note a few years ago and it basically said I CAN NOT WORK IN IT due to my anxiety, but that is just not good enough for benefits, so also my benefits will stop at the end of this year so i am really anxious about this, because it is just such a fight and now the conservatives are in power they are changing the whole system, so it is going to be totally imposible for me to continue getting the benefits i am currently getting.

          so this thread lips made, made me think of my whole situation, and who knows if this was the same case for this guy too, he had no other option,

          well to be honest what other option will i have, yes i am going to talk and try everything, but when the end of the year comes and it is not looking good, im really anxious and scared as to what is going to happen to me.

          Thanks for reading

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          (i cant believe i opened up this much on a public forum)
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          That quite alright RJ, I too am "mental" .. i have found balance in my medication and my current age's wisdom. For me it appears hereditary. Males in My mother's side mostly seemingly affected in these past generations. I being the oldest of my generation in both my mother's and father's families got hit with a psychosis, that developed with my age and such.. only to burst into a full blown schizo affective disorder and the depression that comes with the unstable mental state. I began noticing this health issue in the US Navy , was forced to quit Other Than Honorably with no benefits (OTH) . By that time i was useless to any employer in the workforce .. struggling for years to take up trade in printing .. which my mother has committed most of her occupation. I made a very nice sum from my production in 3 years time physically i raised the entire region to compete .. i was a hard core work horse, doing a vital and physical function in the bindery department of the last business i worked at. then relapsed to a "Carl" from the motion picture "Sling Blade" if you like a picture of me then.
          It is very hard to accept not being able to function in the general workforce . Especially as ful throttled and attentive I myself am in my endeavors whether from employ or whatnot. Sure i get benefits , i don't mind , pennies of a payment compared to what i have in my individual account for sure or had in my account. Truth is my payments alone should be atleast ten times what they are currently. I have worked hard , sacrificied my service in arms, and lie getting older , poorer and less dependent.
          To sum it up .. Yes Lips .. i think this guy deserves to get "benefits" or any other kind of aid he can.
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          Financial assistance is there for the people that really need it. Whether they are the only ones that get it is a different story but this man definitely needs it. He has serious issues and deserves support while he gets help. I doubt it was just a strong desire to be lazy that drove him to do what he did. He had to have strong anxiety and fear to get out there.
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          There's not much to say about this in my view, that man is sick and he should be in a psychiatric hospital. Who pays for that is not so important, he obviously is mentally ill and should be treated as such.
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          Okay,wait now.. maybe i misunderstood.. i thought i read this man did this deliberatly to avoid getting a job and continue on benefits? If thats what i'm reading then my comment stands.. Now if the man cut off his foot because he does have mental issues and it has been priorly determined a mental case, because of the mental sickness he cut his own foot off.. then thats something different, he would deserve the help needed.. mentally ill and being desperate are not the same..
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          i said what i said to give another perspective on the subject though and i do agree with u imagin.ation if it was done deliberately, but just was using my own situation as an example as to what may have drove this man to do what he did if this was the case

          (I supose a spear of the moment reaction took over me again when i replied to this thread)

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          LuckyRJ you don't ever have to apologize for feeling passionate about a particular subject. You opened up your situation and your heart and no one could ever penalize you for that. I thank you for opening up and sharing such difficult circumstances in your life. It takes bravery, courage and trust in your LCB community and you're respected for that.

          I don't know how the system works in the UK to collect benefits when a person is mentally challenged but maybe it is a matter of getting more medical proof. I know in the US it can be tough to prove too. But if a person regularly see's a therapist it helps their case tremendously to prove there is mental issues.

          I never really understood why mental issues tend to be much more scoffed because it can be equally as debilitating as physical disabilities. Maybe one of the reason for this is people who try to abuse the system and it is more difficult to prove. Unfortunately it is very sad for the person who truly does need help.

          @imagin...........you are right and you are right! It's like a catch 22. One hand the guy shouldn't get benefits for pulling such a stunt, yet on the other hand anyone that would so such a thing is obviously very mentally distraught and disturbed. So it is a tricky situation to see how the gov will handle it.

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          Thanks soo much for your kind words lips and i totally agree with you with what you said,

          Basically all i have as prove is doctors records because like i said i closed my case when i was 18, but i am always going to the doctors with the same issues, so it is in my records that all these issues are always ongoing, it is beyond me why this on my records is just not enough either, i will just have to work something out i supose

          thanks again lips

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