Who Provokes Who?

This reminds me of something that happened at my church.

We have a circular church with the alter going the length of the middle.  The church was full.  Priest was going to introduce someone who 'had a new beginning', of sorts.

Elderly man starts walking up the alter, clutches his chest, hesitates, clutches chest again, stumbles and falls.

OMG!!!!!

I flew up to the alter, in skirt and heels.  The man was down.  Priest grabs portable defibrillator and shocks the man.  Man chest flops up and down.  You can hear the gasps of the congregation.  I'm thinking... What the hell are you doing, Father?  Man is breathing.

I rub the man shoulders in comfort, telling him he's going to be okay, trying to soothe him.  Tell priest NOT to shock him again.  DUH!.


Elderly man leans over to me and whispers "This is a skit!".  WTH???!!!

I spun on my heels, found my husband and mouthed "It's a joke!".

Half the congregation walked out.  Church was fined over $2,800 for the unnecessary ambulance being called by MANY people.  Priest apologized for his lack of thinking at the next 6 masses.

If ONE person thought it was a good idea to fake a heart attack (most likely in a room where many had lost spouses, parents, grandparents to them), it would be stupid but the priest, man and his wife all thought it was a good idea.

Unfreakingbelievable.

Something in a woman, and maybe in some men of a certain persuasion, causes them to follow the lead of their.  Sometimes to great lengths.  So suppose a woman who had committed a few minor or petty crimes, or had contemplated such, hooks up with a more determined criminal partner.  That influence of following the lead could end up with both growing in their criminal lives together.  But should she hook up with that had higher ideals and better judgement, she might be more inclined to leave her bad past behind. 

Remember love can blind people to the truth sometimes, so the weaker partner may have clouded judgement from seeing their in a different light than the general public might observe.  It takes a strong person to say no to the heart and open their eyes wide and reject the object of their affection.  This is why it is best to have ones eyes completely wide open while dating.  And if you can accept all of your partner's behaviors and shortcomings, to then close your eyes to those things you know will continue to happen once you choose to marry.

I'll admit lips, when I hear about crimes and several times it's a couple. I often wonder who started it? Or did they both decide "Hey, let's make some meth and get rich!" I never understood that myself.

Oh and Gabby. Thanks for the info. I had to this point, thought you were  a male.

I think when it's teetering on the edge, of crime, or drugs, or GAMBLING... there is always an
enablee, and an enabler.  One of you is always stronger than the other, and either keeps you
on the straight and narrow...   or pushes you to your limits, or over your limits, then there you are...
driving over the cliff...hehe 

"Who corrupts who in a relationship?"-Lips

Good question.  I think it's the man.

Amidst all of the woman that may fancy a man (rich, strong, successful, authoritative, etc.)
He chooses that one he thinks will compliment him, an extension of himself imo, even in wrongdoing.

Lipps....GREAT question (as always!).  I think it is too complex to answer in a forum.  The "cause" comes from so many different directions.

There is plenty of evidence of both sexes doing the corrupting. 

My BIG issue:  We (meaning, parents, religious leaders, schools, and society in general) do a BAD JOB at giving young people skills to spot a "bum" or in a lot of cases a "bummette."

Yes, yes, yes....the power of love makes us overlook the horrible obvious very often.  But, the skills are non-the-less absent!

Also, we still perpetuate the myth to young girls about "not being complete until their prince comes."  I can tell you in my years of counseling this is the NUMBER 1 item that gets females in touble.

Who Provokes Who?

I don't know why but it reminded me of two of the most notorious evil minds in history.
When I think about them, I still get chills.
Paul Bernardo & Karla Homolka
And yes, I really do believe women are more manipulative and wicked.

"Not so sure i agree with you. Women can be very manipulative. As in the case of Ms Bonnie Parker. I think she made even Clyde wince on occasion or two."-Lips

Women, manipulative? Perish the thought!
Actually, I agree with you on that.

Historically, in American culture, women are depicted as "babies in the ds" and any wrongdoing from a woman, the man (whomever the authorities decided was the mastermind) was made the "posterchild" for the crime, hence the "Dead or Alive" poster.  By doing this, it strengthened the notion women weren't capable of heinous crimes.  That's why the "Bonnie and Clyde" story imo is notable even today.  Bonnie Parker was a break from the premise that women weren't ever capable of violence.

hehe...i really missed you

so many notorious minds...and i never even heard of these ones...

If memory serves me correctly, they were a young couple who killed Karla's sister...only after doing horrific things to her. 

@Lips: love your bunny rabbit avatar.  It can serve for both St. Patrick's Day and Easter